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  1. #51
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    For ranged physical DPS, I vastly prefer the gameplay of Machinist because I'm such a huge Edgar Figaro fan.

    Dancer looks awesome, I just can't stand the sound of the weapons being thrown around. It has a certain sound to it that grinds my gears the wrong way.
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  2. #52
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    Bright-Flower's Avatar
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    Nyr Ardyne
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Awarewolf View Post
    For ranged physical DPS, I vastly prefer the gameplay of Machinist because I'm such a huge Edgar Figaro fan.

    Dancer looks awesome, I just can't stand the sound of the weapons being thrown around. It has a certain sound to it that grinds my gears the wrong way.
    The Edgar retool in SHB defintely made me gravitate more toward MCH, but DNC is still the job I tend to lean on. Though it's also the only ranged physical I've gotten to 80, but will have the others there soon.
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  3. #53
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Ultros
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    If that's all you're doing as dancer you're not doing it right.
    pfft im not a thick i know theres some fluff like Devilment and tech and Flourish then its step -1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2 floursih is a minute long and steps are what 30 seconds? its not enough to spice the job up even with random ass sabers and fans. Flourish should be a early skill idk it takes forever for DNC to begin feeling fun but DNC is in a better position than a few other jobs like MCH and MNK with some resemblance of structure but its far too mindless for me and i dont wish for it to change that drastically
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    “Theirs really not much you can change with the MCH”
    -Live letter 66, 9/17/21

    Where is the ambition?

  4. #54
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Bismarck
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    pfft im not a thick i know theres some fluff like Devilment and tech and Flourish then its step -1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2 floursih is a minute long and steps are what 30 seconds?
    But it's not mindless 1-2-1-2 because you're regularly triggering steps 3 and 4. Thus if you are only hitting 1 and 2, you are doing it wrong.
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  5. #55
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    Celenir Istarkh
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    Atomos
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    At the start of Shadowbringers, I unlocked the DNC, started putting things on my hotbars and reading the tooltips, got confused with all the extra new DNC jargon, and said to myself, I'll get back to this later.

    Later hasn't come yet. :3
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    “There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  6. #56
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    But it's not mindless 1-2-1-2 because you're regularly triggering steps 3 and 4. Thus if you are only hitting 1 and 2, you are doing it wrong.
    regularly as rng and rng ontop of rng, which isnt bad but there are times its mundane and extra steps dont really assist it, also give the "your doing it wrong" a rest DNC isnt complex enough to have people lost like that im only talking about the non burst phase as minimalist as possible im not gonna go through the whole rotation and discuss whats fun and whats boring
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    Last edited by Jirah; 03-11-2021 at 10:39 AM.
    “Theirs really not much you can change with the MCH”
    -Live letter 66, 9/17/21

    Where is the ambition?

  7. #57
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    Victor Theed
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    Goblin
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    Miner Lv 90
    I got it to 80 and my complaints about it were it feels like the dmg is weak compared to the other jobs in the game, even if it's support, rdm is support and their dmg don't feel weak.

    It's dance moves are to feminum looking for my personal taste, I wished we had some knock off versions of hip hop dances or the moves Micheal Jackson would do, but I can tell that job is geared towards women and not me so I wouldn't say it's a failure, it's perfect for what it was geared towards.

    And last, things I liked about dancer, it's moveset is fun, it's not boring at all, the weapons it uses look really cool, and it has some useful support.

    Not my type of job cause it's dances look to feminum and it's dps feels to weak, but I'm glad they added it And I will lvl it eventually to 90 in endwalker.
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  8. #58
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    Kris Goldenshield
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    regularly as rng and rng ontop of rng, which isnt bad but there are times its mundane and extra steps dont really assist it, also give the "your doing it wrong" a rest DNC isnt complex enough to have people lost like that im only talking about the non burst phase as minimalist as possible im not gonna go through the whole rotation and discuss whats fun and whats boring
    But Icsah isn’t wrong here; at 80 you should/would regularly be triggering the “advanced” attacks, and while it is RNG, they trigger with enough frequency that you have to keep an eye on your bar to see if something proc’d. I would argue that is a detriment to the class.

    With many classes you either don’t need to watch the bar at all, or there is some audio trigger to tell you a bar is full. Alternatively, like BLM or DRG, you have some visual cues to tell you what’s going on without needing to look too much.

    TL;DR: I prefer to spend my time watching my character with glances at the party bars, job gauge or hot bars.

    Suggestion example: colored flair to the attacks to match the dance type, so “red attack” -> “blue attack” (proc’s, dancer has a blue aura or glow or something) -> “better blue attack” (has yellow flair and possibly proc’s the fan dance, or a green glow). Basically something like blm’s fire/ice, but various colors.

    For the actual step, I’d love for the character itself to be surrounded by color related to what they should push:
    1) press step action
    2) 3 small blue birds appear around waist (push blue)
    3) the 3 birds turn into leaves, 1 smaller bird floats up around head (push green)
    4) the 3 leaves around waist turn into roses, 1 leaf and bird are now around the head (push red)
    5) same deal but crowns and yellow
    6)with 4 small icons around your head, you know you’re done! (Push step action to finish)
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  9. #59
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    Pray Return
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    Faerie
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    I love to be able to be a male character and be with a job considered "feminine" (even though I can't really see as much?).

    But If it's not your cup of tea... okay then. I just don't get why you're dreading it, since it seems that you'll only level it to 80 for the mount. If it's that jarring to spend a long time playing the job, just level it through MSQ roulettes, one per day... In about a couple of weeks you'll be there with barely touching the job itself.
    Wat lol if you do MSQ you still have to play the class. If you *really* want to level a class but not actually play it, do PvP roulette. You can queue in on the class you want to level up and then change to a class you actually enjoy as soon as you get into the instance. It will reward exp to the class that you queued in as.
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  10. #60
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    Aeraelyne Valleana
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    I have to admit I both like & dislike DNC. I like how easy it is to do either single-target damage or a group-wide attack - for me the fact it generally has fairly few key-presses (even with doing the dances every 30-60 seconds) is good, as I have an disability which effects my reflexe's & reactions... so a ranged class that's easy (ie 1,2 with 3,4 as they light up, along with hitting the big AoE and fan skills when buffed).

    The other main aspect I love about it is I feel like I can help groups out with it's utility. Dunno how much putting the shield up helps, or using the healing... but when I'm doing group content I always try and get my shield up if I see a group/raid/map-wide AoE coming, or if I see a tank/healer about to de I'll pop the heal by them to try and help out... or if we've just done a stack and all low on hp, hit the heal to help out. I get the same feeling when playing my RDM and I see healers down, hit the fast cast and rez. Helps my mind out as I know my dps won't be the best (ie see my issue's), so I like to try and do what I can (both RDM & DNC are in best gear I can, with +60 stat melds)

    What I don't like about it is the aesthetic / look when you draw your weapon. I personally think it's pretty lame to stand there jumping up and down holding your weapons at your side. Really doesn't look worrisome / intimidating / etc when in a cutscene or something and your character inter-ject's between 2 NPC's to protect the 1 from the other. Admittidly this is the same issue I have with SMN & SCH as well... whipping out a book just.... doesn't look great IMO.
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