still new in tanking, is it bad if i didnt use all my skill?

[Cabalabob]

I’ll give you the facts and let you decide wether it’s wrong or right for yourself.

Requiescat covers 5 GCDs, Holy Spirit is 250 potency buffed by 50% to 375 potency, you’ll get 4 of these within requiescat + a confiteor which is 800 potency buffed by 50% to 1,200 potency. So in 5 GCDs using your spells under Requiescat you’ll do 2700 potency worth of damage.

Let’s compare that to what you’d do without requiescat. Assuming no FoF (since you’re supposed to be alternating between requiescat and FoF), the average potency of the prominence combo = 170 (total eclipse 120 + prominence 220 / 2 = 170). You’ll get 2 of these combos + an extra GCD into the 5 GCDs where you should have used requiescat. So let’s be generous and assume that the extra GCD is prominence. 170 x 2 + 220 = 560. That’s a difference of 2140 potency from not using requiescat and again, that’s being generous, if you assume the 5th GCD was total eclipse it’s 460 potency and a difference of 2240 potency.

[Wiccan026]

If you aren't using your full kit or even half of it effectively then...yes, it is bad.

Meh I understand your point, the train of thought, and the true logic behind it... I do disagree with it personally on a certain level.

If I tank a dungeon as a Paladin I will only use my magic DPS rotation about fifty to sixty percent of the time and I never start out with it. My main reasoning is I have died in several dungeons, regardless of cooldown usage and other factors while trying to play at my best due to healers realizing their full part and/or limitations.

Granted, the other ones that don't heal with MP, I don't approach at all like this, it's really just how I play Paladin... although I really only tank dungeons and old roulettes, if I did do Savage again I would have to play a job that I would feel far more comfortable using my full rotation.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I'll be honest, you should always approach dungeons as, pick up pack with AoE combos, Requiescat into Holy Circle spam into Confiteor, Hallowed around half HP. I may Fight or Flight, if trash is around 50% or higher, and rampart, saving Sentinel for the next set of trash. if I haven't used FoF on the first set, because DPS is good I'll use it on the second set, otherwise Requiescat is usually coming off cooldown by the time I've wrangled up the next set. I typically will not adjust this since there is 0 excuse, that healers and dps can't meet the requirement especially at 80, if they have the ilvl to get in, they should be more than capable to deal with any lvl 80 dungeon pull.

If you're making the most out of your cooldowns and doing as much as you can to pump out dps, yet you still go down, that's either on the healers or the DPS for not pulling their weight. But you should never save cooldowns or hold buffs because of just in case something bad happens, emergencies, it typically doesn't help in the end at that point. If anything making use of your skills properly prevents those emergencies happen in the first place, outside of people just failing mechanics outright.

I have had painfully slow expert runs, taking over 20+ minutes without a single wipe on boss or trash, simply because the DPS was atrocious, I still did not deviate from what I usually do, I shouldn't have my gameplay suffer due to incompetence of the rest of the party, nor hold anything for just in case.

[Takamorisan]

Its not recommended to not use your tools, but at the same time you said yourself that you are new to tanking, so its a learning process and you even recognize it the issue, posted here for social feedback. You are in the right direction OP, just keep improving and don't be harsh with yourself.

[Zfz]

When I'm on my healer, all I care is if the tank is rotating defensive cooldowns properly. When I'm on my DPS, all I care is if the tank is holding aggro properly and bunching up the targets (God I hate tanks who spread out mobs so DPS AOEs just can't hit all of them).

Tank dps is the least of my concerns. IMO defensive cooldowns and mob positioning (i.e. the pulls) are many times more important than whether a tank is using the full kit. Anyone who has to complain about tank dps outside of savage content needs to chill, or stay away from the DF forever.

[Vahlnir]

Tank dps is the least of my concerns. IMO defensive cooldowns and mob positioning (i.e. the pulls) are many times more important than whether a tank is using the full kit. Anyone who has to complain about tank dps outside of savage content needs to chill, or stay away from the DF forever.

I do agree that CDs and positioning take priority, but I also think that everyone should be giving it their all. I never expect it to actually happen though and I won't call anyone out on it, as much as it might annoy me. At most I might explain a mechanic if I see enough people eating the floor repeatedly, or maybe to ask my tank/co tank to pick up an add, but I tend to not say much of anything otherwise when it comes to player performance. Well, in game at least. I know better.

[SwordswornFox]

Trying to use our whole kit is a learning experience, and just takes time and practice with the skills. I recently picked up GNB and paused my PLD as my focus through SB/ShB content. Some things are 'universal' the basics of 1-2-3 and basic aoe aggro grab. Getting used to when to through the cartridge abilities between 1-2-3 combos or sliding one in between aoe's to help focus down one mob while keeping the trash occupied, has been interesting.

I know I'm a 'scrub' tank. I'll get you through any content I'm choosing to meatshield, but it will not be pretty. I'm going to use every CD, oGCD, and GCD to get you through; but damn is it not going to look pretty till I get comfortable with everything.