Mentor Requirements

[Lanadra]

True mentors dont have a crown. Mentors must explain everything in raids, trials and dg.

Go if you love teach, but forget about that icon and social status. if you dont behave as teacher, others may complain.

theres a lot of good players, experienced ones won can do everything mentor do, and not have that crown vanity.

I disagree. As others have stated, a mentor should not be a 'hold my hand through everything' kind of guide. They should help out when someone is actually having trouble with something either in a dungeon, with a quest or otherwise in the open world.. either coming to that players aid or explaining how they'd best go about it. Ideally you want the end result to be 'ohhhhh, so that's how it works, thanks mentor, I didn't know that.' and see them on their merry way.

[Awha]

As a mentor when someone asks me what the mechanics are I often say poke it till it dies. If we wipe hopefully the group has learned from their mistakes. Normally for dungeon content. I do not pug raids.

[Themarvin]

Here's the thing and feel free to take it however you want: Just because you did something one way doesn't mean everyone should be forced to do it that way. I also did my requirements by hand back when I got my Trade Mentor crown but I'm also someone who uses macros now because I'm lazy and after torturing myself through the Saint of the Firmament Expert grind, I refuse to do it solely by hand anymore lol. Either way, whether or not someone uses a macro or is irrelevant and has no bearing on whether or not they're fit to be a trade mentor. Just because I use macros doesn't mean I can't also explain how crafting or gathering works to a member of my FC. If you want to do it 100% manually that's your right to do so, but it doesn't make it better or worse than any other method out there and ultimately won't fix the issue you're trying to solve. The issue is how some members of NN treat sprouts or other mentors. Raising requirements won't weed out people with those personality traits. Will it weed out lazy people potentially? Sure, but dedicated people can still have those personality traits that you're trying to avoid.

But you got trade mentors in Novice Network, who barely even know how to play the game and is house of missinformation... and they get pissed when people get called out for it and feel harrashed, as they barely even know what crafting is about at all either, that is why it need to be barred massive in, they increased the requirements for mentor in SHB and it worked backwards, meaning would need to get back in to shape, to be able to stay in Novice Network and keep mentor.

Trade Mentor REALLY needs an overhaul the same way as PvE got.

Also alot of PvE mentors is still a joke, just did an expert roulette with one that did not use any AOEs at all, that did not get even some decent damage in or anything and felt more like a person that just did it to get the 2 seater mount... that is why it should also be barred in with massive amounts of commendatiosn needed, as you only get those if you actually do well.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

If the mentor system was, hypothetically, removed from the game.

How big of a loss would it even be?

[SturmChurro]

If the mentor system was, hypothetically, removed from the game.

How big of a loss would it even be?

Many mentors would probably throw a huge fit, create some threads here, reddit, spam twitter, etc.. They'd be losing their chat channel (NN) - which is the biggest blow for many. Overall, removal of the mentor system would be better for the game, I think. No real loss.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Many mentors would probably throw a huge fit, create some threads here, reddit, spam twitter, etc.. They'd be losing their chat channel (NN) - which is the biggest blow for many. Overall, removal of the mentor system would be better for the game, I think. No real loss.

Agreed, tbh.

[Jeeqbit]

If the mentor system was, hypothetically, removed from the game.

How big of a loss would it even be?

The novice network helps hundreds of sprouts and returners every single day answering their questions, I see it on every server I go to on many data centers... I am not seeing much of this toxicity that people claim is in the novice network, just deeply thankful sprouts and returners.

The sprouts and returners are who would lose out if it didn't exist.

There might be one or two odd servers with poor novice networks but again they tend to be full of trade mentors who came from other MMOs to raid and just fill the chat with raid-related discussion, when it's supposed to be about new player things.

[Kaurhz]

Many mentors would probably throw a huge fit, create some threads here, reddit, spam twitter, etc.. They'd be losing their chat channel (NN) - which is the biggest blow for many. Overall, removal of the mentor system would be better for the game, I think. No real loss.

Honestly, remove the crown entirely. Retain the roulette and the novice network and just have an indication within the Novice Network that someone is a Mentor [M], or Sprout [S], removing the vanity aspects of the crown and leave it at that.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

The novice network helps hundreds of sprouts and returners every single day answering their questions, I see it on every server I go to on many data centers... I am not seeing much of this toxicity that people claim is in the novice network, just deeply thankful sprouts and returners.

The sprouts and returners are who would lose out if it didn't exist.

There might be one or two odd servers with poor novice networks but again they tend to be full of trade mentors who came from other MMOs to raid and just fill the chat with raid-related discussion, when it's supposed to be about new player things.

As someone who didn't have access to NN as a sprout due to accidentally leaving it early on. I'm fairly certain people can make do without.

[Jeeqbit]

As someone who didn't have access to NN as a sprout due to accidentally leaving it early on. I'm fairly certain people can make do without.

Of course they can, but it's extremely helpful and there is no reason to take away such a helpful place that lots of sprouts come to love.