Can we please ban advertisements for selling clears from PF?

[TheLittlestLala]

I'd like to open my party finder just once without being reminded that people actually pay money for this.

[Kaedan]

If you mean they are paying real money, then yes, that's already a bannable offense. If you see an ad for clear for real money, you can report that player.

If you're talking about gil, then there's nothing against the rules about that. If that's how people want to spend their gil, then that's their choice.

[TheLittlestLala]

If you mean they are paying real money, then yes, that's already a bannable offense. If you see an ad for clear for real money, you can report that player.

If you're talking about gil, then there's nothing against the rules about that. If that's how people want to spend their gil, then that's their choice.

I've noticed that every single one of these things says "add on discord for info", which is basically code for "pay us real money".

[Lambdafish]

As it is long ago, when content, that gets advertised for selling, was doable by 7 man or less, its not a carry, that gets advertised.

The point: account sharing.

So with the T&C in mind, this service is not "perfectly valid".

I've noticed that every single one of these things says "add on discord for info", which is basically code for "pay us real money".

You aren't going to like the answer, but it all comes down to... Can you prove it?

If you can't its basically assumption and slander, which isn't grounds for a report. Yeah, you are probably right, but if it takes place off of the game, and you cannot see transcripts of conversations talking about real money trading and account sharing then it has no weight in the argument.

[Enjuden]

You aren't going to like the answer, but it all comes down to... Can you prove it?

If you can't its basically assumption and slander, which isn't grounds for a report. Yeah, you are probably right, but if it takes place off of the game, and you cannot see transcripts of conversations talking about real money trading and account sharing then it has no weight in the argument.

You realize SE does not accept screenshots or any outside source except what's stated in game, so burden of proof is an impossibility if the seller isn't an idiot. SE has made the burden of proof impossible, yet I can't say that cancel xyz is a good idea either. Until ToS changes and proof limitation is expanded, then I guess we just have to hope people aren't dumb enough to dump money on these scammers. Bluntly, saying to add on discord and the conversation 'ending' on FFXIV is more than enough proof since if it was gil only, there would be no reason to hide anything.

[Lambdafish]

You realize SE does not accept screenshots or any outside source except what's stated in game, so burden of proof is an impossibility if the seller isn't an idiot. SE has made the burden of proof impossible, yet I can't say that cancel xyz is a good idea either. Until ToS changes and proof limitation is expanded, then I guess we just have to hope people aren't dumb enough to dump money on these scammers. Bluntly, saying to add on discord and the conversation 'ending' on FFXIV is more than enough proof since if it was gil only, there would be no reason to hide anything.

A ToS change would be horrible because it would allow people to fake evidence and get innocent people banned. There is a reason why SE is so tight on their evidence policy, and it is because they only accept evidence that they themselves can verify as truthful within the resources that they have. I would much rather a ToS that allows people to post RMT in PF than one that allows malicious people to get whoever they want banned with fake evidence.

[Greywolfamakir]

I've noticed that every single one of these things says "add on discord for info", which is basically code for "pay us real money".

it doesn't mean anything...

[SerLuke]

it doesn't mean anything...

It means exactly that, one person in this thread has been contacting them from the Discords on the PF listings and they give price in USD =(

[niwaar]

If you mean they are paying real money, then yes, that's already a bannable offense. If you see an ad for clear for real money, you can report that player.

If you're talking about gil, then there's nothing against the rules about that. If that's how people want to spend their gil, then that's their choice.

I agree with you. That being said, I agree with the OP as well. There is an "Other" category for a reason. What we need is an "Advert" topic or better yet an "Advertisement" filter choice for the PF. There is a place for advertisements in the PF. But since more and more we see not only people "Selling Clears" but 90% of the Eden category is people either looking for a static or players looking for people for their static. The PF should have a way for us to filter these out easily and for us to find that Eden group that is set to run within the next 30minutes and not ones you are applying to for the future.

[Lambdafish]

What Kaeden said is absolutely correct.

The ingame economy supports players exchanging goods and services. Buying a clear from a player is no different than buying an item from them, or paying them to overmeld your gear. It's how the gil is obtained that is the biggest point of contention, and the RMT argument is completely separate from the "buying clears" argument.

Whether that makes it fair or right that players should be allowed to be carried through content is a reasonable debate, but as far as terms of service goes, its perfectly valid, and will never be banned.