Change how <100% drop rate items are given while in a party

[Mavrias]

If you'd have done Delubrum Reginae instead of PotD, then you'd each have about 5 by now.




It's possible to share out RNG rolls throughout a party.
For example Blue Mage. Learning spells in RNG, but if one BLU in the party learns the spell, everyone done.

The problem is likely distinguishing premade partial parties from the full party.
You might have loaded in with a friend, but what about the other two in the party?

thats not actually how blue mage spell learning works. you have a 100% chance of learning a spell if you complete the content synced (and of course see the spell and alive when the enemy dies).

if you are doing the content unsynced the learn rate is lowered significantly and one blue mage may learn the spell and the rest of the party is unlucky and does not.

[Iscah]

thats not actually how blue mage spell learning works. you have a 100% chance of learning a spell if you complete the content synced (and of course see the spell and alive when the enemy dies).

if you are doing the content unsynced the learn rate is lowered significantly and one blue mage may learn the spell and the rest of the party is unlucky and does not.

I think the "100% if synched" setup was a later addition.

And I'm fairly sure that it's an "all or nobody" learning rate when doing it unsynched - just a lot more likely to be nobody.

[Vickii]

I'd really rather not. I just had to do like 50 alliance raids for the last couple steps of the relic and I'm enjoying not having to suffer through other people failing to meet the minimum requirement for playing. Plus we play at odd hours, so it's not always convenient. I think the whole point of having options is being able to pick whichever one suits you best, rather than whichever is guaranteed because the other option is harder since two people don't get the items at the same rate.

Yeah but let’s be honest, you’ve chosen the easiest option. And now you’re complaining about that.

It’s fine as it is.

[DrWho2010]

Let's just boil this down to what it really is. Sour grapes for you not getting as much as quickly. As with a lot of things in this game as in life, not everything is fair and just best to suck it up and move on, lest you become bitter about the whole thing and quit altogether. Once you get over yourself, then you'll find things become a lot easier to handle. So what if you didn't get as much as your friend even though you were in the same party? There will come a point when the situation is reversed.

[Doozer]

Let's just boil this down to what it really is. Sour grapes for you not getting as much as quickly. As with a lot of things in this game as in life, not everything is fair and just best to suck it up and move on, lest you become bitter about the whole thing and quit altogether. Once you get over yourself, then you'll find things become a lot easier to handle. So what if you didn't get as much as your friend even though you were in the same party? There will come a point when the situation is reversed.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it. Where would I be without your sagely advice. I'm giving you attention now, since you're so clearly mad that I ignored you before, happy?

Also, I said he's my partner. Not my friend.

[Tint]

Let's just boil this down to what it really is. Sour grapes for you not getting as much as quickly. As with a lot of things in this game as in life, not everything is fair and just best to suck it up and move on, lest you become bitter about the whole thing and quit altogether. Once you get over yourself, then you'll find things become a lot easier to handle. So what if you didn't get as much as your friend even though you were in the same party? There will come a point when the situation is reversed.

Yeah the reversed situation... Do you know what is even more frustrating than getting less drops than the person you are doing the quest with? Getting more as them. Then you have to continue grinding, getting more and more of these quest items while your quest partner still got nothing. So much fun...

However - in Bozja cluster farm groups we can see how a system will get (ab)used when everyone in the party gets the drop: The party splits up to get credit in as much areas as possible. This will not be a problem in instanced content like PotD, but would become the meta for Fate grinds.

[Haventale]

it was just an example I used because the entire time we've been doing it, at literally every single step where there wasn't always a 100% drop option, we got extremely uneven drops and one would be long finished before the other.

But wasn't there always a guaranteed option for getting the items you need for each relic step?

Thavnairian Scalepowder: Poetics
Memories of the Dying: Heavensward Fates
Bitter Memories: Level 60 Dungeons
Loathsome Memories: CLL or ARR Alliance Raids
Haunting Memories: HW Alliance Raids
Vexatious Memories: SB Alliance Raids
Timeworn Artifacts: Delubrum Reginae

Were these not always the case? Admitedly, my memory is very poor, so maybe I forgot about some change they made?

[Doozer]

Yeah the reversed situation... Do you know what is even more frustrating than getting less drops than the person you are doing the quest with? Getting more as them. Then you have to continue grinding, getting more and more of these quest items while your quest partner still got nothing. So much fun...

Exactly this. He feels bad because he's getting so many, and he'll still have to do it even more because he has to drag my awful luck ass through it until I'm done. I would also feel bad if I got way more than him. Surprisingly, most people have empathy and still may not like a system even if they're benefiting.

But wasn't there always a guaranteed option for getting the items you need for each relic step?

If one option is inherently "better" than the other, why give an option at all? I also explained that although doing Delubrum guarantees a drop, it can take an hour, requires outside preparation (lost actions), and requires 24 players to do. Some duties are harder to get in to at later hours of the day. I also said that I did ~50 alliance raids for the previous step, and I'm tired of it. I enjoy doing Palace of the Dead. But again, the relic options are not what I'm talking about. I'll say it on its own line so it can't be missed.

I'm referring to how things that do not have a guaranteed drop rate do not drop consistently between party members. Whether it's FATEs, Skirmishes/Critical Engagements, PotD, etc. and no matter what it's for (not just relics), one person can get it on every completion and one can get 1 for every 20 completions. It discourages group play because the rewards aren't even. If it drops for anyone, it should drop for everyone in the party that can receive it.

[Fawkes]

Just have the person with more toss theirs and pretend it works the way you want. Dev time is money and this game is severely underbudgeted.

[Doozer]

Just have the person with more toss theirs and pretend it works the way you want. Dev time is money and this game is severely underbudgeted.

I doubt that mindset gets you anywhere, huh. Just ignore things and give up on all expectations? No thanks.