Tired of Zenos (spoilers)

[SecretIsland]

I just finished the game (this time for real) and it looks like one of the main villains is going to be Zenos again. I didn't find him a compelling villain when I was playing through Stormblood and I don't find him compelling now either.

Do people think he's a good villain? I must admit that I might have been a little spoiled by Shadowbringers villains, so Zenos seems really cliche in comparison. What are your thoughts? I'm hoping we will kill him early in the story next expansion and he's not going to be the final boss on the Moon :P

[TheMightyMollusk]

He's polarizing, to say the least. Personally, I thought he was alright as a one-expansion villain, but he wasn't interesting enough to keep around after that, and nothing he's done since has changed my thoughts.

[Edax]

I almost took this thread seriously until I saw it was titanman's alt that posted it

Yep, it's one of those threads again.

[E4EO]

I enjoy Zeno's, he's a nice break from all the Uber complex villians in today's world, not just 14, but especially in 14 given how he's, you know, likey gonna be pretty important in 6.0.

Think about it, we had all these complex villians and grandiose stories in previous expacs. Then comes 6.0, where we have a man who is literally so good at fighting he's willing to watch his home nation burn cause he can't find a good enough challenge, and as Yoshi P said, literally just wants to have a damn good fight with the WoL. It's like the most metal, bizarre, f cked up, and straight up nonsensical thing rolled up into one and imo its so good, who knows what kinda stuff they'll pull in 6.0 that'll make people go "wtf dude", and likey flesh him out a bit too.

[SecretIsland]

Yep, it's one of those threads again.

I don't know much about the forum's history so I searched titanman. Unfortunately it just seems like people (and always the same people I might add) are accusing anyone and everyone of being titanman. At some point you trolls need to grow up and find a new hobby. In the meantime looks like I'm adding another one to the ignore list.

He's polarizing, to say the least. Personally, I thought he was alright as a one-expansion villain, but he wasn't interesting enough to keep around after that, and nothing he's done since has changed my thoughts.

I definitely agree. In the Shadowbringers cutscenes he basically lies around on the throne doing absolutely nothing. He's bored, but looking at a bored person is also boring.

I enjoy Zeno's, he's a nice break from all the Uber complex villians in today's world, not just 14, but especially in 14 given how he's, you know, likey gonna be pretty important in 6.0.

Think about it, we had all these complex villians and grandiose stories in previous expacs. Then comes 6.0, where we have a man who is literally so good at fighting he's willing to watch his home nation burn cause he can't find a good enough challenge, and as Yoshi P said, literally just wants to have a damn good fight with the WoL. It's like the most metal, bizarre, f cked up, and straight up nonsensical thing rolled up into one and imo its so good, who knows what kinda stuff they'll pull in 6.0 that'll make people go "wtf dude", and likey flesh him out a bit too.

I can appreciate your viewpoint too! I definitely prefer complex villains more though, because I've just encountered too many Zenos-type villains in other video games before, which makes him cliche and forgettable.

[KayRadley]

If it's any consolation, there's a very good chance he will die in Endwalker. And this time, for realsies.

[myahele]

Zenos is the Sylvanas of FFXIV

[hobostew]

Zenos is the Sylvanas of FFXIV

Feels more like a Nathanos imo.

[linayar]

Do people think he's a good villain?

Villain: A character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot.

By that definition, Zenos is a good villain, though he's taken a backseat recently.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I actually like Zenos. I like a strong Villain that puts the MC down a Peg. Also, I think his defeat was hilarious because he still kind of wins by denying Lyse or the Scions the satisfaction of putting him down and bringing him to Justice. That to me was truly evil.
Sure, yes. Hes not as fun or 3-dimentional or have a sympathetic Motivation like Emit or Nidhogg.
But not every Villain can or will be. Sometimes its good to have something more simple, or weird like Vauthry. Who knows...maybe he will be more interesting in endwalker.
If not...then like KayRadley said...he will be gone soon.

Im still waiting to call it...Hes gonna Become Sephiroth