Skybuilder's tools (510 shiny)

[LaughingBanana]

I would have to disagree with the reward part of it honestly. If they do continue to do this they need to make the relics actually worth a damn. Right now, they're trash, plain and simple. Aesthete's pentamelded is still superior and takes far less time to actually make/buy than grinding out a relic. The only reason to get a relic tool is if you don't want to go about pentamelding eight different tools and are happy with slightly sub-optimal stats. These things need to have materia slots on them to be any good, period.

And I know this is a matter of opinion, but I think they're trash glamour too. Save a couple, the designs are mostly boring simple designs you'd expect to see on a level 15 vendor tool, they're not dyeable, the glow does not extend to the bench (only ALC's does), and worst of all, they do not enlarge and hang on your back like the final-tier crafted tools always do. Like what's more impressive, a giant golden chainsaw on your back or a dinky little saw that hangs on your side and looks like a low level saw you'd buy in a starting city for a couple hundred gil? The lack of enlargement really hurts the smaller tools like LTW and GSM whose designs you can't even really see. I will admit the dragonscale effect is nice and having them glow when unsheathed instead of only while in use is a QoL upgrade, but the overall glow is less impressive than the blessed king glow so they don't even wow me there, either. Was pretty disappointed with literally every aspect of the relic, to be honest.

I just want to say that I find it weird some people are treating this response as if you're trying to "burn" the OP or that you need to "grow up" or whatever. You disagreed, you explained why, and you also clarified that it is only a matter of opinion that the glamor are not good as well.

Weird how something as mild as your post are viewed as confrontational, I mean, huh...?

[Kaurhz]

I just want to say that I find it weird some people are treating this response as if you're trying to "burn" the OP or that you need to "grow up" or whatever. You disagreed, you explained why, and you also clarified that it is only a matter of opinion that the glamor are not good as well.

Weird how something as mild as your post are viewed as confrontational, I mean, huh...?

Yes, it's confrontational if you slate them, call them trash, and effectively inferior with insufficient research or consideration of pre-existing builds, and then subsequently try to pawn this off as fact.

[LaughingBanana]

Yes, it's confrontational if you slate them, call them trash, and effectively inferior with insufficient research or consideration of pre-existing builds, and then subsequently try to pawn this off as fact.

He may or may not be wrong regarding his opinion about the thread's subject, but I really don't see how he's being confrontational in that post. All I get from all that post is an IMO, it's his opinion, and he's not trying to antagonize OP, merely disagreed with the OP about the state of things.

Like, I really don't see how that post is an indication of how he needs to "grow up" or somesuch, it's really mild and inoffensive, and it's just him disagreeing with the OP, which I thought is just fine.

[Kaurhz]

He may or may not be wrong regarding his opinion about the thread's subject, but I really don't see how he's being confrontational in that post. All I get from all that post is an IMO, it's his opinion, and he's not trying to antagonize OP, merely disagreed with the OP about the state of things.

Like, I really don't see how that post is an indication of how he needs to "grow up" or somesuch, it's really mild and inoffensive, and it's just him disagreeing with the OP, which I thought is just fine.

Well, I can at the very least tell you that reaching higher Craftsmanship breakpoints you get much more control loss from remelding pieces versus just equipping the Skybuilder's Tools. Case in point; in order to reach 2735 Craftsmanship on non-specialist you will hit a maximum of 2738/2819/554 I believe, compared to that of 2749/2820/554 from the Skybuilder's Tool approach, so in that regard, it is better, that's just a simple, and cold fact. I'd have been willing to agree with them if they said the ends currently do not necessarily justify the means (starting from scratch > 510), but they outright called it trash and ranted "suboptimal stats" which is simply factually incorrect.

You'd need to ask the other poster that, but they at the very least came across as non-constructive with a lot of feedback "it's all trash"; instead of giving feedback as to what they could do to improve tools in the future. Be it an additional step that would allow for materia to be affixed to the gear, or by creating a 'bonus stats' section for the tools, so you grind and grind materia amongst other rarities and outright customize additional stats right down to the single digit. Similar to that of light grinding, I guess. Consider the following;
Craftsmanship; 854 - Control; 468 - CP; 6
Additional/Bonus Stats
Craftsmanship; +21 - Control; +18 - CP; +1