How difficult is Ultimate?

[HyoMinPark]

Where is your data to back up this claim? There are constant posts in party finder selling ultimate clears.

Just because there are advertisements doesn’t mean people are answering them. You see them every day. Do you answer them?

I don’t doubt that people have bought clears. I just don’t think it’s nearly the number you’re wanting to insinuate. But if you think it’s so significant, then I can wait for you to provide data backing up your claim. The burden of proof falls on you.

[Vickii]

I meant to put "necessarily". In any event, the point is fairly obvious. You aren't guarantee to sell something because you posted an advertisement. Nevertheless, the burden of proof remains on you.

The PF ads and RMT sites isn’t proof that most people are buying ultimate clears. I understand that.

But it’s evidence that they at least find it worthwhile to advertise that service. Also where is all the ‘legit’ ultimate stuff. Forum threads discussing it, comments on YouTube strategy videos etc? You’d think a popular feature would get talked about more.

The lack of buzz around ultimate in general doesn’t seem to tally with the hundreds of people who show up on patch day with the weapon and title, usually not in a FC who is doing that content.

People buy clears. It’s obvious, but hard to prove numbers. I think you know this as well as i do.

[HyoMinPark]

The PF ads and RMT sites isn’t proof that most people are buying ultimate clears. I understand that.

But it’s evidence that they at least find it worthwhile to advertise that service. Also where is all the ‘legit’ ultimate stuff. Forum threads discussing it, comments on YouTube strategy videos etc? You’d think a popular feature would get talked about more.

The lack of buzz around ultimate in general doesn’t seem to tally with the hundreds of people who show up on patch day with the weapon and title, usually not in a FC who is doing that content.

People buy clears. It’s obvious, but hard to prove numbers. I think you know this as well as i do.

There was no shortage of “buzz” when each Ultimate released. FFXIV trended on Twitch during each week each Ultimate came out—and Ultimate is the most attention this game has ever seen on that platform. Sure, there isn’t much attention surrounding it now, but that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t discussed heavily when each fight first came out. I remember when UCoB released during 4.1 and people on here were praising it as a wonderful spectacle (even the non-raiders!!!)—and some complained that it was unfair a “story mode” didn’t exist, and even that they had to clear Neo-Exdeath to try out the fight. When UwU came out, people praised it as well. People watch the prog on Twitch—and they did it for all three.

There’s less talk about all of them now because they’re older content—and also given how we’re very quickly approaching pre-expansion lull, a lot of people aren’t necessarily paying attention to this game at all. But the fights are still done to this day. Just because something isn’t discussed doesn’t mean it wasn’t a success. I don’t really hear people discussing older Extremes or Eureka anymore, but they were discussed quite a bit when they were relevant. Especially on here.

Just because people have the title and are in an FC that doesn’t advertise hardcore content doesn’t mean they bought their clears. My FC is very small, but I didn’t buy any of mine. I’ve raided with people in RP-heavy FCs in both UCoB and UwU. The type of FC you’re in doesn’t really matter, since statics can be independent of them. There are plenty of raiders that don’t raid within their Free Company.

No one is denying that some people buy their clears—and it’s very easy to tell who they are as they will always lack a log for the encounter. But the insinuation that it’s any significant portion of the clears is a reach. Not that many groups even sell the content, so how could they possibly sell a significant portion of clears to the playerbase. It’s more common for people to purchase Savage clears.

[ForteNightshade]

The PF ads and RMT sites isn’t proof that most people are buying ultimate clears. I understand that.

But it’s evidence that they at least find it worthwhile to advertise that service. Also where is all the ‘legit’ ultimate stuff. Forum threads discussing it, comments on YouTube strategy videos etc? You’d think a popular feature would get talked about more.

The lack of buzz around ultimate in general doesn’t seem to tally with the hundreds of people who show up on patch day with the weapon and title, usually not in a FC who is doing that content.

People buy clears. It’s obvious, but hard to prove numbers. I think you know this as well as i do.

That "buzz" is back in 2019-2020 when TEA released. It's almost like there has been a two year wait and many people have long since cleared TEA.

When content isn't in the spotlight, it tends to be talked about less. Imagine if the Firmament had a single update in 5.1 and that was it. You'd never hear more than two words about it because, well... it's considered older content. At release, Ultimate garners more views and attention on Twitch than any other piece of content in this game's entire history, MSO included. For reference sake, FFXIV pulled ahead of WoW when UCoB released, something that never happened prior.

As HyoMin mentioned, we're rapidly approaching a massive content lull. Not to mention, many players interested in Ultimate aren't necessarily playing because they cancelled the expected 5.51 release. Put simply, you aren't hearing much about Ultimate because there hasn't been one in a very long time.

[Infindox]

As HyoMin mentioned, we're rapidly approaching a massive content lull.

Personally we are already in a content lull now, will have stuff soon in April, then will continue the lull again a bit after that until Endwalker.

[NanaWiloh]

When I see people calling Ultimate easy begs the question. Did they clear while it was current with no Higher Ilvl gear avalible or did they cheese it and clear after better gear came out? If you cleared while it was relevant brag away if not then you got no business calling it easy. I am someone who as a gamer has cheesed and cheated at more then my fair share of games and I dont call games I have cheesed or cheated at easy.

[ForteNightshade]

Personally we are already in a content lull now, will have stuff soon in April, then will continue the lull again a bit after that until Endwalker.

Oh, I agree. Shadowbringers is more or less over, sadly. We have whatever's left of Bozja and an EX Primal as "repeatable" content. It's going to be a very long lull to considering Endwalker likely won't come until September or October. Frankly, there just isn't enough to do but that's a whole separate topic.

[technole]

When I see people calling Ultimate easy begs the question. Did they clear while it was current with no Higher Ilvl gear avalible or did they cheese it and clear after better gear came out? If you cleared while it was relevant brag away if not then you got no business calling it easy. I am someone who as a gamer has cheesed and cheated at more then my fair share of games and I dont call games I have cheesed or cheated at easy.

It's challenging content, that's proven across the board otherwise the clear rates would be up there with savage.

I do agree there is a difference sense of people calling ultimate "easy" when they didn't clear it during the same savage tier it came out. Like if you cleared all three in 2020, that's a bit different. There is the after-effect of clearing later like I mentioned of having better dungeon gear with the +5 ilvl, and better strats that have been tried and proven to cut down on DPS checks, and to allow for more errors. Like UwU nowadays you can practically add up dead bodies over time and still be comfy on enrage. Not to cut down the accomplishment, just people calling it easy is not telling the full story.

Same ordeal with people who cleared Eden's Verse last tier in i500 gear will say the tier is easy versus the first month gang that had to work their way up with early strats and ilvl. Like some healers got a wake up call when Eden's Promise came out and they realized they actually needed to heal at min ilvl.

[NanaWiloh]

It's challenging content, that's proven across the board otherwise the clear rates would be up there with savage.

I do agree there is a difference sense of people calling ultimate "easy" when they didn't clear it during the same savage tier it came out. Like if you cleared all three in 2020, that's a bit different. There is the after-effect of clearing later like I mentioned of having better dungeon gear with the +5 ilvl, and better strats that have been tried and proven to cut down on DPS checks, and to allow for more errors. Like UwU nowadays you can practically add up dead bodies over time and still be comfy on enrage. Not to cut down the accomplishment, just people calling it easy is not telling the full story.

Same ordeal with people who cleared Eden's Verse last tier in i500 gear will say the tier is easy versus the first month gang that had to work their way up with early strats and ilvl. Like some healers got a wake up call when Eden's Promise came out and they realized they actually needed to heal at min ilvl.

I have never done Savage or Ultimate, though I want too my life simply does not allow it. lol I know the life does not allow it has been heard a million times, but not everyone can just simply re-adjust their life to get more free time. :P