Thread: Pld buff or War nerf in 1.22?

Originally Posted by Dawiichan

On paper it sounds nice, but then think about it effectively. Lets think about the room with the ants and basilisks in CC. Warrior runs in, auto attacks 2-3 times as they get all the initial hate on ants. Returns, casts Collusion on BLM, then either combo to steel Cyclone or just pop it off with 2k TP. Not only that, they can use antagonize and/or sentinel. Sentinel for PLD doesn't work on heals or flash. Not only that, your steel cyclone also does a good chunk of the monsters HP.

Yea, PLD instead does Flash, then the hate gets stolen by a BLM, he can cover and hope that another BLM doesn't take hate, and killing the ants takes longer. Yea, not seeing it. Trash mob groups should be killed under 30 seconds. You could also heal, but why do you think the BLMs get the hate and not the healers that heal even more?

Agreed... Very much so....

the heart of the argument is this:

Your DD's can only deal as much damage as the tank has hate. Yes DD's have enmity reduction abilities.. but the premise still stands, the more hate the tank has, the more damage the DD's can do....

Say PLD and WAR can hold hate equally....
So 2 parties fighting the exact same NM (Separately, obviously)...
Party A uses a PLD, party B uses WAR tank...

Both tanks have 10,000 units of enmity (using Kaeko's baseline 1 hp damage = 1 enmity scale)

PLD's 10,000 enmity is made up mostly of heals and abilities....
Say off the top of your head that, of the 10,000 enmity, 2800 of it is from damage....

WAR enmity comes from damage
So say... of the 10,000 enmity on a WAR... 7000 of it is damage
At this point, the MOB has over 4000 less HP...

That will ALWAYS be preferable UNLESS you get into a situation of survivability, where a PLD can survive a fight that a WAR cannot...
As we all know... the opposite happens... WAR's have more survivability than PLDs

Originally Posted by Akumu

The FFXIV community seems to can't function unless there is only one Tank in game and the rest as some off tank. That of course shafts people that actually enjoy the tanking role.

WAR: Tank
PLD: Tank

Neither is supposed to be a "main" Tank. They each have their own style of Tanking but neither is supposed to be the "main".

This ^^ playing as a tank and healer you can tell the differences and where one shines in its certain areas both are main tanks one is damage based one is defensive based

I imagine there will be a WAR def nerf eventually.

It will unfortunately be a WAR nerf, just because it's always easier to nerf than to buff, regardless of how unhealthy it is in the long run.

But through buffing, they can actually go around buffing all other content to make older content more relevant. Which needs to happen anyways, as they need to make content buffed enough to counteract the bonuses for Full-Party.

So the obvious solution is to nerf warrior so they can be a damage dealer (like we don't have enough of those already) because we can't have two tank classes which won't be as good as a monk or dragoon or blackmage and can't support like a bard. Oh let's leave our 3/5 warrior skills from being used and quite a few marauder skills as well because you know. Damage dealers aren't suppose to put hate on themselves. Seems like Marauder would be choice to play instead of Warrior.

To those of you who want to turn around and say "I can damage good as warrior blahblahblah." the same can be said for Paladins who can tank correctly.