Thread: Pld buff or War nerf in 1.22?

Originally Posted by Soupyboots

In a game without PvP, what's the point of nerfing any class. Just buff Paladins. Warriors being OP is beneficial to the entire group. Every player can play ANY class. Why nerf?

PvP is coming in 2.0.

Second, if a class is so powerful that other classes are not played; ruins the point of having other classes.

EDIT:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-%28How-to%29

This thread shows why. Stacking Warriors for hamlet defense. Other classes are unwanted and considered 'too weak'.

Originally Posted by Soupyboots

In a game without PvP, what's the point of nerfing any class. Just buff Paladins. Warriors being OP is beneficial to the entire group. Every player can play ANY class. Why nerf?

Because putting other jobs out of work to let one be OP isn't ideal.

It's not just WAR it's general unbalance which is why for any/every raid/primal/other you end up seeing war whm brd(or blm) blm blm blm blm blm this is not a good thing, that even new content is calling for this same kind of class stacking time after time to achieve the "best" results is proof of the unbalance.

The stacking isn't always the same but it's pretty much always the same classes, with hamlet apparently we've seen a shift from stacking blms to stacking wars, this is all people want to see change, this group setup: wars blms 1~2whm (maybe a brd). If war has to get nerfed to make other jobs useful so be it. Making everything Abyssea grade OP to level them off w/ war would be an equally undesirable solution. It's kind of a lose/lose wars get nerfed there's a bit more balance, still prolly not enough, and content doesn't become laughably easy.

Originally Posted by Enfarious

It's not just WAR it's general unbalance which is why for any/every raid/primal/other you end up seeing war whm brd(or blm) blm blm blm blm blm this is not a good thing, that even new content is calling for this same kind of class stacking time after time to achieve the "best" results is proof of the unbalance.

Stacking BLMs is happening because the developers did not learn that huge burst damage, regardless of what limitations you want to put on a class, will always trump DoT. Sure, some may think that a BLM should always be burst damage, but I'm more of the mind that I'd rather see more frequent spell casting and less damage per spell to bring things down to par. BLM trumps others between that burst damage as well as having the advantage of range.

If war has to get nerfed to make other jobs useful so be it.

Depends on how far we go with it. If we separate the DPS aspect from the tank aspect, that's not exactly a nerf.

Originally Posted by Duelle

Stacking BLMs is happening because the developers did not learn that huge burst damage, regardless of what limitations you want to put on a class, will always trump DoT. Sure, some may think that a BLM should always be burst damage, but I'm more of the mind that I'd rather see more frequent spell casting and less damage per spell to bring things down to par. BLM trumps others between that burst damage as well as having the advantage of range.
Depends on how far we go with it. If we separate the DPS aspect from the tank aspect, that's not exactly a nerf.

It doesn't have to be a nerf, your absolutely right, rampage == reduced attack + increased defense, berserk == work how it should and you have a hot swappable tank/dd but not both at the same time.
Yeah I've always been of the mind that mages were OP'd, I mostly keep my mouth shut though, it's enough to get all the hate posts for saying WAR is OP'd lol

The rest is merely ranting:
On the mage front though, yeah I was just running w/ a thm friend while leveling war we're equal level, his gear is gimp mine isn't. His dmg vs. mine:
Nuke 700 against ele weak mobs(4 of them)
Me 1 mob at a time 80~90 AA so 8~10 AAs to match 1 nuke @ ~4secs delay == 32~40 seconds to deal what he did in 3
Me 1 mob at a time again WSs, we'll say for arguments that I don't miss and have 3k tp. 125~175/hit, 3~4 WSs w/ 2 secs animation takes me 6~8 seconds to match his single 3 second attack.
But he did it to 4 mobs, which means that in all those cases I need 4x as long to match his single attack spell. That's not OP'd at all, I think they should give mages better dmg output w/ more HP so that we can just stack 8x WHM/BLM for everything, all these other jobs aren't really useful ...

Sorry I went kind of sideways there. Yeah things remain unbalanced, but they're working to fix it, hopefully someday it occurs to someone that spreading dmg over an area should also reduce that dmg by an amount equivalent to the area affected. If I throw a water balloon holding 1 gallon of water and hit 1 person they get hit w/ 1 gallon. If I take that same 1 gallon and put it in a pail and just splash people in an area with that gallon, unless something really extraordinary happens not 1 person will get hit with a full gallon.

Damn that was more sideways.

Originally Posted by Enfarious

Yeah I've always been of the mind that mages were OP'd, I mostly keep my mouth shut though, it's enough to get all the hate posts for saying WAR is OP'd lol

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Yeah things remain unbalanced, but they're working to fix it, hopefully someday it occurs to someone that spreading dmg over an area should also reduce that dmg by an amount equivalent to the area affected.

Nerfing AoE won't change the fact that even single target BLM is pretty powerful because of high spell damage, which justifies stacking BLMs even more because you can do large amounts of damage over a short period of time. Sure, the glass cannon paradigm exists, but it doesn't pan out in games with multiple classes that are vying for the same role. AKA here. Stacking BLMs shouldn't be the answer to everything. Just like Stacking WARs shouldn't be the answer to everything.

I might be sounding a bit selfish saying this, but there SHOULD NOT be more than 50DMG difference between the lowest and highest DMG weapons of similar types (IE:Ifrit's Blade should be a minimum of 121DMG which is within 50 of Ifrit's Axe 171DMG). I say this because, with this current trend with weapons PLD will only suffer more and more when/if the level cap ever rises, because that gap will continue to grow and grow.

I'm not saying it's Matsui....but it's Matsui. j/k (or am I?)

Seriously, someone they brought over from FFXI has a thing against swords. Swords were among the weakest weapons in that game, and now lo' and behold, they are the weakest weapon here. I don't think it's a coincidence, either. Anyway, yes, swords could use a bump in weapon damage.

I wouldn't even want to play War in pvp. The lock down on their weaponskills is ridiculous.