Thread: Pld buff or War nerf in 1.22?

Originally Posted by Peptaru

What is the timer on foresight? What is the timer on aegis boon?
Can you parry or block magical damage?
Do you take damage from attacks blocked with aegis boon?
How many parry/partial parry do you get without foresight? I hardly see any.... Idk why parry is referenced so often.
I'd reference Vengeance way more often if trying to make the mitigation point.....

The point is Both Aegis boon and foresight make dmg 0, but if a pld block an attack you see something like this. You partially block coincounters 10 ton swipe for 1567 dmg. You partially parry coincounters 10 ton swipe for 257 dmg. That's an big diffrence meaning that war has more hp can heal takes less dmg than pld and does dmg.

So war does 2 of the same things pld can and does 1 of them better and then it has dps. War is DD/heal/dmg reduction tank while pld is Heal/slightly dmg reduction tank.

Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

@ Nullie

Turning PLD into a better DD is NOT how to fix this.

Where did I say they should be a dd? I never said they should be a tanking dd. I said they should be brought up to standards. I don't know how this can be done honestly without one class being placed in the same position. Believe me, I want paladins up there as well on the front. This is just a bad situation all around.

Another thought:

Maybe WAR should lose Collusion (which doesn't seem in flavor at all).. and instead, gain an AOE provoke like War Drum.

That coupled with a Rampage Attack nerf should do the trick.. WAR loses some DD strength when tanking but can still hold hate easily.

I'll put a new list together in a moment...

Idc what anyone says but pld does need a dmg boost doing 20 dmg ws is retarded the eminty bonus from those ws don't help at all when you do 20 dmg ws.

Originally Posted by Firon

People keep saying war Dps is not good but i haven't seen anyone dps on mrd normally. I would like see an mrd's parser on a Boss fight but it wont happen cause its either blm or mnk >_>

Well it depends. War does more dmg in AE. Less on Single. But Even on single, War does a fairly descent amount. Not too far off from Mnk. Not to mention they have the best tanking ability atm.

Originally Posted by Holyomen

What this guy said.

Make PLD such a great healer, similar to DNC, that he doesn't really require a WHM thus freeing up a spot for another DD in the party or letting a second WHM do DD. That way having a PLD in the party allows for more DPS, which will negate WAR's DD in comparison.

Also, a PLD that can cure quickly and continuously will also be able to generate more enmity, again negating WAR's enmity abilities in comparison.

One BIG advantage everyone seems to forget that PLD has over WAR is raise.
Imagine this, the first party that defeats Garuda and the only one left alive is the tank.
The chest appears but the 5 min clock starts till everyone is kicked out.
If the tank is a PLD he can raise a WHM and start getting everyone up to claim their chest.
If the tank is a WAR everyone is going to be grinding their microphone's in their teeth in utter disgust.

What this guy said? You are what this guy said. You just quoted yourself there you know.

Derp.

Changes:


MRD:

• Rampage: Increases your attack speed, but (significantly) reduces your attack power for each physical attack against you, and restores HP for each critical hit you land. Effect fades upon moving or reuse. Cannot be used simultaneously with Berserk.

WAR:

• Collusion Warmonger: Put on a threatening display, increasing enmity generation and drawing the attacks of the target and nearby enemies while lowering their critical attack rate.

GLD:

• Rage of Halone: Delivers a fivefold melee attack at low accuracy. Generates massive emnity when executed from behind. Combo bonus: Increased Accuracy
  
• Ageis Boon: Blocks the next incoming physical or magic attack and grants HP in proportion to damage taken.