Viera hairstyles

[KizuyaKatogami]

As far as I remember, it was their "last chance" to add any new races. So they did their beast race, and the fan favorite viera. The compromise was no male viera or female hrothgar - which would have been the equivalent of two new races if they had been added. They probably were just able to fit them in with their ShB budget.

And funnily enough they’ve changed that stance now to “we’ll see what the future holds”. It’s pure marketing manipulation at its finest. We saw it when yoshi wouldn’t give a direct answer about male viera and fem hroth and instead said look forward to the fanfest. It’s basically what they’ve done with viera and hroth hair. Look forward to it sometime in the future but not now because we need to add angel wings and parasols.

[-JayJay-]

As far as I remember, it was their "last chance" to add any new races. So they did their beast race, and the fan favorite viera. The compromise was no male viera or female hrothgar - which would have been the equivalent of two new races if they had been added. They probably were just able to fit them in with their ShB budget.

But that's what gets me. We're not only sitting with both having no opposite genders but also sitting with some really lackluster customization options. And new hairstyles were promised at the very least. I genuinely don't understand why they couldn't have had the whole situation with their customization options mapped out at the very least so players wanting to use these two races wouldn't have to go patch after patch missing out on customization options that other races can use while these two can't.

[Penthea]

I genuinely don't understand why they couldn't have had the whole situation with their customization options mapped out at the very least so players wanting to use these two races wouldn't have to go patch after patch missing out on customization options that other races can use while these two can't.

I really would love to know how SE found the time to make seven new hairstyles for all the pre-ShB races, who don't all have the same shape head, while viera and hrothgar got nothing.

It just looks like intentional exclusion.

[SturmChurro]

And funnily enough they’ve changed that stance now to “we’ll see what the future holds”. It’s pure marketing manipulation at its finest. We saw it when yoshi wouldn’t give a direct answer about male viera and fem hroth and instead said look forward to the fanfest. It’s basically what they’ve done with viera and hroth hair. Look forward to it sometime in the future but not now because we need to add angel wings and parasols.

Well, back on ShB launch Yoshida pretty much said the same thing. Not a "no" but a, "maybe in the future". I do think a lot of what is said is disingenuous however, like that whole "look forward to the fanfest".

I do tend to believe Yoshida though, for the foreseeable future they do not have the budgeting to maintain, or create another new race (equivalent male viera/female hrothgar). If something changes "perhaps", that's why he won't shut the door on it. Though, the way I tend to read his statements, I'd say any actual new races are an almost definite "never". Male Viera/female hrothgar, are a "maybe one day".

Viera hair and hrothgar faces, if I recall correctly, was more of a definite "YES!" yet we have seen nothing, that's what's frustrating.

But that's what gets me. We're not only sitting with both having no opposite genders but also sitting with some really lackluster customization options. And new hairstyles were promised at the very least. I genuinely don't understand why they couldn't have had the whole situation with their customization options mapped out at the very least so players wanting to use these two races wouldn't have to go patch after patch missing out on customization options that other races can use while these two can't.

Agreed, I had assumed viera hair/hrothgar faces (updates) would have been part of the plan, but I guess not. They made them for ShB and then left them seemingly without any actual plans to update them; put on the backburner.

I really would love to know how SE found the time to make seven new hairstyles for all the pre-ShB races, who don't all have the same shape head, while viera and hrothgar got nothing.

It just looks like intentional exclusion.

Simple. They pre-planned these hairstyles (hairstyle contest?). Plans for these hairs were mapped out prior, viera/hrothgar updates were not.

[Lauront]

As far as I remember, it was their "last chance" to add any new races. So they did their beast race, and the fan favorite viera. The compromise was no male viera or female hrothgar - which would have been the equivalent of two new races if they had been added. They probably were just able to fit them in with their ShB budget.

That statement is made all the weirder by some of the timespan references they've given for the game lasting, be it 5 years or more. Maybe they recently got that greenlighted or something but if it's going to last well into the future, bit early for them to be saying "last chance". Though it could all hang together - invest in the graphics engine (I'm referring to this interview for anyone curious about it), and adding new races may become less of the huge hassle it currently is. We'll see if anything comes of it as it's all very early days, however the way he described the things they're looking at does sound like it'd ease the process of adding further races. At the very least for the missing genders, one would hope.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Well, back on ShB launch Yoshida pretty much said the same thing. Not a "no" but a, "maybe in the future". I do think a lot of what is said is disingenuous however, like that whole "look forward to the fanfest".

I do tend to believe Yoshida though, for the foreseeable future they do not have the budgeting to maintain, or create another new race (equivalent male viera/female hrothgar). If something changes "perhaps", that's why he won't shut the door on it. Though, the way I tend to read his statements, I'd say any actual new races are an almost definite "never". Male Viera/female hrothgar, are a "maybe one day".

Viera hair and hrothgar faces, if I recall correctly, was more of a definite "YES!" yet we have seen nothing, that's what's frustrating.

Agreed, I had assumed viera hair/hrothgar faces (updates) would have been part of the plan, but I guess not. They made them for ShB and then left them seemingly without any actual plans to update them; put on the backburner.

Simple. They pre-planned these hairstyles (hairstyle contest?). Plans for these hairs were mapped out prior, viera/hrothgar updates were not.

The budgeting thing is kind of a weird situation. Because supposedly ShB made far more money than any other expansion yet still no customization changes have been seen with hrothgar or viera. And no significant changes have been seen with any of the other races soooo...where’s our sub and mogstation money going.

[Shougun]

As far as I remember, it was their "last chance" to add any new races. So they did their beast race, and the fan favorite viera. The compromise was no male viera or female hrothgar - which would have been the equivalent of two new races if they had been added. They probably were just able to fit them in with their ShB budget.

Under that situation I am happy they did split them. Of course having both races full would have been nice, but if this was the case- then as it happened is fine with me. Vast majority would be going the split as it was anyways, of course there might have been this amazing potential and it makes sense that some might miss that (I miss Au Ra's concept art) but as there have not been male Verias before and female 'ronso' were basically background art what makes sense is the split with the big if "this is the last push and we wanted to add as much as possible".

Naturally still getting both would be neat, but I have to think it goes back to the core technical systems being an issue (just like the challenges involved with housing, glamour, and other like systems, such as mogshop items having trouble being account bound sometimes). All that of course is why once the MSQ story is done (6.0), I'm kind of hoping for either MAJOR improvements to the core of FFXIV or hoping they're working on another mmo to be released. I mean look at how long it took to make chocobos not mess up DF lol. The game is very fun and a good mmo, and it is absolutely amazing given where they came from (the ARR crunch and all), but we very often hear the challenge to ideas is not their imagination but the game itself.

[Penthea]

Simple. They pre-planned these hairstyles (hairstyle contest?). Plans for these hairs were mapped out prior, viera/hrothgar updates were not.

But it's not as if viera and hrothgar were made in a day. The development time for those two races and those seven hairstyles would have had some overlap, assuming both were developed during SB. And if the hairstyles were developed before SB...then that still doesn't explain why the new races couldn't even get ONE.

I think the decision to tie hrothgar hair to faces is why we haven't seen anything. But SE made that decision and would have known the obstacles it would create so...still no excuse. No one forced them to give hrothgar hair the au ra horn treatment. No one forced them to make that ludicrously stupid decision.

Sigh, I just want to have some more choice. I only like one of the viera hairstyles and I love plenty of the non racial styles. At this point I would purchase outfits I have no interest in just to get some new hair.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Under that situation I am happy they did split them. Of course having both races full would have been nice, but if this was the case- then as it happened is fine with me. Vast majority would be going the split as it was anyways, of course there might have been this amazing potential and it makes sense that some might miss that (I miss Au Ra's concept art) but as there have not been male Verias before and female 'ronso' were basically background art what makes sense is the split with the big if "this is the last push and we wanted to add as much as possible".

Naturally still getting both would be neat, but I have to think it goes back to the core technical systems being an issue (just like the challenges involved with housing, glamour, and other like systems, such as mogshop items having trouble being account bound sometimes). All that of course is why once the MSQ story is done (6.0), I'm kind of hoping for either MAJOR improvements to the core of FFXIV or hoping they're working on another mmo to be released. I mean look at how long it took to make chocobos not mess up DF lol. The game is very fun and a good mmo, and it is absolutely amazing given where they came from (the ARR crunch and all), but we very often hear the challenge to ideas is not their imagination but the game itself.

New mmo is a no go. Yoshi said they have no plans for one in the foreseeable future. One can hope after 6.0 they’d fix their crappy core systems but who can say. My problem with the split is like, they supposedly pre plan everything and if i’m not mistaken, the only reason hrothgar were to be added is because yoshi p wanted a beast race. If they do indeed pre plan everything, why not make either hrothgar or viera a full race and then see what the future holds as they’re doing now. It just seems like they tried to cut costs especially seeing as how little attention both of the races currently have gotten aka none.

[Shougun]

New mmo is a no go. Yoshi said they have no plans for one in the foreseeable future. One can hope after 6.0 they’d fix their crappy core systems but who can say. My problem with the split is like, they supposedly pre plan everything and if i’m not mistaken, the only reason hrothgar were to be added is because yoshi p wanted a beast race. If they do indeed pre plan everything, why not make either hrothgar or viera a full race and then see what the future holds as they’re doing now. It just seems like they tried to cut costs especially seeing as how little attention both of the races currently have gotten aka none.

I mean the foreseeable future can simply be the next two years. Yoshida has been on a number of occasions been sly with wording. Even if he said he will stick to FFXIV 'fo lyfe' doesn't mean SE wont make one either.

(Not that I'm saying it's for sure either, I just don't like boosting stuff based on overconfidence lol- I've seen it fail quite a few times especially in context of what'"Yoshida has said', in the sense that he did do what he did say but someone took it way too far, or immutably for indefinite periods of time).