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    Speedy Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    DRG is all about it's jumps, it should be the king of gap closers.
    Worst gap closer goes to Ninja.
    Ah yes, job fantasy in a gameplay/balance thread..

    Drg jumps are normally way too important for your dps rotation to hold for gapclosing purposes. Elusive jump is the worst gapcloser of all meeles by far. (Yes, i've noticed you put "should" in italic, but i felt the need to mention it since you apparently have no clue what you're talking about)

    Shukuchi is arguably the best meele gap closer by far! It's always available, since it doesn't have to be used in a burst window and is omnidirectional, pixelperfect, without needing a target. The value of it is just insane. (without costing a resource)

    Not only is it extremely good for your own uptime, it can also help teammates get more uptime without sacrifice of own dps (for example, shiva junction, being in a light party with a tank that wants to dash in without sliding) and is one of the best tools to save messed up mechanics/entire pulls.
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    Last edited by acceleratedben; 04-30-2021 at 06:56 AM.

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    Antony Gabbiani
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    Quote Originally Posted by acceleratedben View Post
    Ah yes, job fantasy in a gameplay/balance thread..

    Drg jumps are normally way too important for your dps rotation to hold for gapclosing purposes. Elusive jump is the worst gapcloser of all meeles by far. (Yes, i've noticed you put "should" in italic, but i felt the need to mention it since you apparently have no clue what you're talking about)

    Shukuchi is arguably the best meele gap closer by far! It's always available, since it doesn't have to be used in a burst window and is omnidirectional, pixelperfect, without needing a target. The value of it is just insane. (without costing a resource)

    Not only is it extremely good for your own uptime, it can also help teammates get more uptime without sacrifice of own dps (for example, shiva junction, being in a light party with a tank that wants to dash in without sliding) and is one of the best tools to save messed up mechanics/entire pulls.
    I would counter that this depends heavily on what platform you're using to play. For me on a controller, the amount of time it takes to aim the destination for the ninja move takes longer than if I just ran in on my own, and really only is useful if I have time away from the boss to set it up, which is less often now that mudras stack as it's a DPS gain to hang onto them for phases you have to disengage and use them then. With the current system, I'd counter that monk has the best gap closer since it also stacks, letting you leave one in reserve, losing only minimal DPS by using it for movement.
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by acceleratedben View Post
    Ah yes, job fantasy in a gameplay/balance thread..

    Drg jumps are normally way too important for your dps rotation to hold for gapclosing purposes. Elusive jump is the worst gapcloser of all meeles by far. (Yes, i've noticed you put "should" in italic, but i felt the need to mention it since you apparently have no clue what you're talking about)

    Shukuchi is arguably the best meele gap closer by far! It's always available, since it doesn't have to be used in a burst window and is omnidirectional, pixelperfect, without needing a target. The value of it is just insane. (without costing a resource)

    Not only is it extremely good for your own uptime, it can also help teammates get more uptime without sacrifice of own dps (for example, shiva junction, being in a light party with a tank that wants to dash in without sliding) and is one of the best tools to save messed up mechanics/entire pulls.
    Simply giving Spineshatter Dive a couple of charges would make it available to use as a gap closer at any time, just like the tank/monk gap closers.
    Then it's no longer a DPS loss to not use it all up, it's only a DPS loss to let the CD cap.
    The system already exists, why doesn't the jumping job have access to it?
    Why does the job that has SSS and Meditate have this instead?

    Shukuchi is useless on controller, the time it takes to aim it and then use it, even the animation takes longer than any other gap closer, and comes with animation lock that no other gap closer has. You can't use it in battle, it will obliterate your rotation.
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    Last edited by Seraphor; 04-30-2021 at 07:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Simply giving Spineshatter Dive a couple of charges would make it available to use as a gap closer at any time, just like the tank/monk gap closers.
    Then it's no longer a DPS loss to not use it all up, it's only a DPS loss to let the CD cap.
    The system already exists, why doesn't the jumping job have access to it?
    Why does the job that has SSS and Meditate have this instead?

    Shukuchi is useless on controller, the time it takes to aim it and then use it, even the animation takes longer than any other gap closer, and comes with animation lock that no other gap closer has. You can't use it in battle, it will obliterate your rotation.
    I think a compromise could be met halfway if Elusive Jump was a forward dash instead of a backstep. Could be used as easily as DNC's En Avant and it spares controller users the pain of having to turn around to use it first, plus since it doesn't do damage it'd be far more available than Spineshatter. Better than having more oGCD damage filler clutter on DRG with another gap-closer charge if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Simply giving Spineshatter Dive a couple of charges would make it available to use as a gap closer at any time, just like the tank/monk gap closers.
    Then it's no longer a DPS loss to not use it all up, it's only a DPS loss to let the CD cap.
    The system already exists, why doesn't the jumping job have access to it?
    Why does the job that has SSS and Meditate have this instead?

    Shukuchi is useless on controller, the time it takes to aim it and then use it, even the animation takes longer than any other gap closer, and comes with animation lock that no other gap closer has. You can't use it in battle, it will obliterate your rotation.
    Or.... if it's meant to be a movement tool, they could take the damage potency off of the skill, maybe let it have a stun effect so that it mirrors the spine shatter name, and increase the potency of other skills to compensate.
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