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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    I really like the Echo as a plot device. I don't like the whole we're 8/14th of an Ascian and the bestest at everything. I mean, I wouldn't like it if we'd continue like that. It's time we become at least somewhat normal again.
    9/14 in fact, due to merging with Ardbert's soul - but the thing is, everyone in the Source is 8/14. Conversely, inhabitants of the First are not noticably weak or insubstantial despite being only 1/14.

    We were bestest at everything long before we got the extra soul fragment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    I really like the Echo as a plot device. I don't like the whole we're 8/14th of an Ascian and the bestest at everything. I mean, I wouldn't like it if we'd continue like that. It's time we become at least somewhat normal again.
    It's a faulty one though. I mean how many times have the baddies had an open opportunity to just stick a sword in our chest while we were having an echo vision and not a single one took advantage. Also, especially in the beginning of the game when we first meet the scions, we fall completely unconscious and the scions are like "he passed out, /shrug, guess I will continue to look at this rock" instead of providing the minimum of aid. Which is also how we know, amongst other things like ppl actually acknowledging they waited while we were having a vision, that time actually passes where we are likely sitting their blank faced, staring into nothingness.

    We also only see relevant and specific information that is important to the plot at that moment and with what we can learn from the echo we should have enough of the syndicate to rule Ul'dah ourselves if we wanted and really should have seen things like the end of 2.55 coming well in advance with all the various ppl who were in on the plot. So while it is good for exposition, it really is a bad plot device in and of itself.

    That's one of the big things that has always bothered me about this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia View Post
    We also only see relevant and specific information that is important to the plot at that moment and with what we can learn from the echo we should have enough of the syndicate to rule Ul'dah ourselves if we wanted and really should have seen things like the end of 2.55 coming well in advance with all the various ppl who were in on the plot. So while it is good for exposition, it really is a bad plot device in and of itself.

    That's one of the big things that has always bothered me about this game.
    Oh, yeah. I totally agree. I'm not saying it's good writing. It's a Final Fantasy game at the end of the day and FF sure loves their Deus Ex Machina moments. I still think it's a fun 'ability', though. I like that it's being expanded upon like in Bozja.

    And as far as gameplay and story working together in tandem are concerned, for me good games do merge both for the sake of not creating too much narrative dissonance.
    And we will be running errands as a player who wants to do side quests anyway. But I find it increasingly silly that a demigod does it. Even the characters in-universe joke about it, so the writers are obviously aware. /shrug
    And characters also joke about us being able to be every class, too. It's nice they acknowledge it, don't get me wrong.

    I just think it would be a good opportunity to tone that all down so you can ramp it up again. But how are you gonna do that if you're already pretty much omnipotent? With dragons from space, maybe. lol I dunno. Just a feeling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    9/14 in fact, due to merging with Ardbert's soul - but the thing is, everyone in the Source is 8/14. Conversely, inhabitants of the First are not noticably weak or insubstantial despite being only 1/14.

    We were bestest at everything long before we got the extra soul fragment.
    To be fair, I already took Ardbert into account. I thought we had 7 calamities + Ardbert. Guess I missed one. /think
    The 13th maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    To be fair, I already took Ardbert into account. I thought we had 7 calamities + Ardbert. Guess I missed one. /think
    The 13th maybe?
    The one you missed was the Source.

    Source soul + 7x calamity soul + Ardbert soul = 9 soul fragments.
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    Regarding OP I hope not, Timetravel is a story mechanism that always ruins whatever story it touch.
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