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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    This is the same reason you can't have dreadwurm trance on the same button as summon bahamut or firebird trance. The skill has a 55 second cooldown meaning that if they were on the same button, you'd have to wait 55 seconds after entering dreadwurm trance before you'd be able to summon bahamut.
    Actions with different cooldowns can share a button, and an action that is hidden behind another due to state-based action replacement can continue to cool down independently of the action that replaces it. Differences in recast times between consolidated action buttons would be a non-issue. The conditions for Dreadwyrm Trance, Summon Bahamut, and Firebird trance are mutually exclusive, and these buttons could easily be made into one button while still maintaining separate cooldowns between Trance and Summon Bahamut.
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    Antony Gabbiani
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    Actions with different cooldowns can share a button, and an action that is hidden behind another due to state-based action replacement can continue to cool down independently of the action that replaces it. Differences in recast times between consolidated action buttons would be a non-issue. The conditions for Dreadwyrm Trance, Summon Bahamut, and Firebird trance are mutually exclusive, and these buttons could easily be made into one button while still maintaining separate cooldowns between Trance and Summon Bahamut.
    In theory they could, but I'm hard pressed to think of moves that share a button already that don't also share a cooldown. It might be a restriction of the code they're working with but I actually found the opposite to be true where I can use a move, switch jobs, and find that moves on that second job are on cooldown as soon as I changed (within a sanctuary)

    I can't imagine they're intentionally keeping skills separated onto different buttons if they were able to combine them considering they already have firebird trance share a button with summon bahamut and enkindle phoenix and enkindle bahamut also share a button. If they could have made the dreadwurm trance buttons share with the others, they would have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    In theory they could, but I'm hard pressed to think of moves that share a button already that don't also share a cooldown.
    Geirskogul and Nastrond come to mind. Geirskogul is on a 30s recast, Nastrond is on a 10s recast, they share the same button, and Nastrond only becomes available during Life of the Dragon. You can use Nastrond at something like 5s left on LotD, exit LotD, immediately go back in to LotD with Geirskogul that just came off cooldown, and you'll find that Nastrond will be ready in about 5s. The cooldown of Geirskogul keeps ticking while LotD is active and the player is using Nastrond, and the cooldown of Nastrond keeps ticking when the player is out of LotD and using Geirskogul. SE should be able to consolidate Dreadwyrm Trance, Summon Bahamut, and Firebird Trance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beddict View Post
    Geirskogul and Nastrond come to mind. Geirskogul is on a 30s recast, Nastrond is on a 10s recast, they share the same button, and Nastrond only becomes available during Life of the Dragon. You can use Nastrond at something like 5s left on LotD, exit LotD, immediately go back in to LotD with Geirskogul that just came off cooldown, and you'll find that Nastrond will be ready in about 5s. The cooldown of Geirskogul keeps ticking while LotD is active and the player is using Nastrond, and the cooldown of Nastrond keeps ticking when the player is out of LotD and using Geirskogul. SE should be able to consolidate Dreadwyrm Trance, Summon Bahamut, and Firebird Trance.
    I hadn't considered that move, thank you! This does support the idea that they could potentially merge more buttons.
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