Summoner and Buttons

[wereotter]

Short answer, deathflare could in theory share the button with enkindle bahamut, but there's one thing that might be keeping them from merging the two. They don't share the same cooldown timer.

I'd have to look at the way the rotation works more closely to see if changing the timers would matter at all (probably it wouldn't) but deathflare has a 15 sec recast time while enkindle bahamut is 10 sec. If they shared a button, and you went straight into summoning bahamut after using deathflare, you'd start that mode with enkindle bahamut already on cooldown, which would nerf the summoner's DPS even if recast times were changed since they couldn't start the phase with an ahk mohrn.

This is the same reason you can't have dreadwurm trance on the same button as summon bahamut or firebird trance. The skill has a 55 second cooldown meaning that if they were on the same button, you'd have to wait 55 seconds after entering dreadwurm trance before you'd be able to summon bahamut.

The job definitely has a lot of button bloat, and there are a lot of ways it would be nice if they could consolidate buttons that can't be used when under other parts of your rotation... but there are reasons that at the current time they do need to be separate.

[Rongway]

This is the same reason you can't have dreadwurm trance on the same button as summon bahamut or firebird trance. The skill has a 55 second cooldown meaning that if they were on the same button, you'd have to wait 55 seconds after entering dreadwurm trance before you'd be able to summon bahamut.

Actions with different cooldowns can share a button, and an action that is hidden behind another due to state-based action replacement can continue to cool down independently of the action that replaces it. Differences in recast times between consolidated action buttons would be a non-issue. The conditions for Dreadwyrm Trance, Summon Bahamut, and Firebird trance are mutually exclusive, and these buttons could easily be made into one button while still maintaining separate cooldowns between Trance and Summon Bahamut.

[wereotter]

Actions with different cooldowns can share a button, and an action that is hidden behind another due to state-based action replacement can continue to cool down independently of the action that replaces it. Differences in recast times between consolidated action buttons would be a non-issue. The conditions for Dreadwyrm Trance, Summon Bahamut, and Firebird trance are mutually exclusive, and these buttons could easily be made into one button while still maintaining separate cooldowns between Trance and Summon Bahamut.

In theory they could, but I'm hard pressed to think of moves that share a button already that don't also share a cooldown. It might be a restriction of the code they're working with but I actually found the opposite to be true where I can use a move, switch jobs, and find that moves on that second job are on cooldown as soon as I changed (within a sanctuary)

I can't imagine they're intentionally keeping skills separated onto different buttons if they were able to combine them considering they already have firebird trance share a button with summon bahamut and enkindle phoenix and enkindle bahamut also share a button. If they could have made the dreadwurm trance buttons share with the others, they would have.

[Beddict]

In theory they could, but I'm hard pressed to think of moves that share a button already that don't also share a cooldown.

Geirskogul and Nastrond come to mind. Geirskogul is on a 30s recast, Nastrond is on a 10s recast, they share the same button, and Nastrond only becomes available during Life of the Dragon. You can use Nastrond at something like 5s left on LotD, exit LotD, immediately go back in to LotD with Geirskogul that just came off cooldown, and you'll find that Nastrond will be ready in about 5s. The cooldown of Geirskogul keeps ticking while LotD is active and the player is using Nastrond, and the cooldown of Nastrond keeps ticking when the player is out of LotD and using Geirskogul. SE should be able to consolidate Dreadwyrm Trance, Summon Bahamut, and Firebird Trance.

[wereotter]

Geirskogul and Nastrond come to mind. Geirskogul is on a 30s recast, Nastrond is on a 10s recast, they share the same button, and Nastrond only becomes available during Life of the Dragon. You can use Nastrond at something like 5s left on LotD, exit LotD, immediately go back in to LotD with Geirskogul that just came off cooldown, and you'll find that Nastrond will be ready in about 5s. The cooldown of Geirskogul keeps ticking while LotD is active and the player is using Nastrond, and the cooldown of Nastrond keeps ticking when the player is out of LotD and using Geirskogul. SE should be able to consolidate Dreadwyrm Trance, Summon Bahamut, and Firebird Trance.

I hadn't considered that move, thank you! This does support the idea that they could potentially merge more buttons.

[Saefinn]

Although it'd be better if it did it natively, but I guess /a/ workaround could be to create a macro:

/macroicon "Enkindle Bahamut"
/ac "Enkindle Bahamut" <t>
/ac "Deathflare" <t>

Using Macro Icon will display exactly as "Enkindle Bahamut" does, including the cooldown timer so you know when it's available again. With Deathflare you don't need to know when it's available as it'll be available when you pop DWT so it doesn't matter if it still showed Enkindle Bahamut.

If Enkindle Bahamut doesn't work, it should use Deathflare instead. Though I've not tested the exact macro above, but I'm pretty sure it should work, as macros usually skip any lines it can't execute and move to the next one.

[Gruntler]

Your statement is absurd and ignores the valid reality that every other DD and tank job can have their AoE GCD actions on a separate bar from their single target GCD actions without being punished by finger gymnastics later, except maybe BLM, which has its own button issues that need to be addressed.

Other jobs don't tend to have free AoE damage in their single target rotation just sitting there doing work letting them just single target attack the fat target in a pack, ending the trash encounter faster, thereby doing more dps.