Thread: SCH, Energy Drain, and 6.0

Originally Posted by Eloah

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Because lustrate was hp based, you ended up having decision making on the fly between which heal you used. Physick didn't used to be emergency button.

Fester I admit I got mixed up with Bane (I'm running on about 2 hours sleep atm ><) which also required an aetherflow charge and has also been deleted from sch

Energy drain was actually the mp restores and stack usage, with damage as a bonus, to the point it was rumoured to be losing its damage come HW. That's why energy drain became a stack dump as more healing got added- you didn't need to expend the aetherflow abilities when you could just use regular ones and burn the stacks on damage
Sch was very mp heavy and true to its job lore required thinking ahead about usage given what tools were available. Aetherflow was once a minute and created your rotation start point of 3 aetherflow stacks.
You used your aetherflow stacks as burst healing, shielding (no regen on sacred soil here!) mp restore (particularly after raising) and aoe damage (bane)

Shielding was also much more important in the days of HW and ARR. A4s's last mortal revolution was almost impossible to survive without shielding at appropriate gear level. Titan's final phase geocrush and tumults also required heavy shielding due to substantially lower hp bars.

Given how deadly 2.0 and 3.0 could be due to lag, random crits and mp limitations it really was more decison based. Nowadays mp is just a limit on raising too quick.

Originally Posted by inhaledcorn

Emergency Tactics is such a garbage skill, and you're still eating the massive MP cost for using it. Putting it on a 15s cooldown doesn't make up for the fact that you have to rely on several cooldowns what the other two healers can do with either one direct cooldown or a direct GCD. And, if you're using Emergency Tactics to just get to full HP, then that's an overheal you could have used on a shield since the essential healing would have given you more if you got the shield.

how is ET adlo worse than physick? and how is using ET for the purpose of restoring hp when theres already a shield "overheal" ? all emergency tactics does is change the shield part of adlo/succor into a direct heal. it doesn't change the total potency of the skills at all.

i also dont know why you bring up the mp cost when other healers also pay mp for gcd heals? emergency tactics is quite literally on the bottom of the priority list for healing as well. you say that other healers can do what ET gcds do with 1 skill, but so can scholar. if you need immediate hp theres indom/excog/lustrate (recitated or not); and if you DONT need immediate hp you dont even need to use ET on the gcd in the first place, not to mention there's also aetherpact/whispering dawn/sacred soil.

Originally Posted by inhaledcorn

*points to AST being good at literally everything*

And WHM being the only healer whose identity is having holes in its kit would get dunked on yet again. Like Stormblood.

Either the healers all have weaknesses or they all don't. Squeenix has proven time and again they will never give WHM utility. AST and SCH either get weaknesses or they're just plain better. I'd rather not have the overpowered wonder twins back. Nerf AST instead.

Originally Posted by Semirhage

And WHM being the only healer whose identity is having holes in its kit would get dunked on yet again. Like Stormblood.

Either the healers all have weaknesses or they all don't. Squeenix has proven time and again they will never give WHM utility. AST and SCH either get weaknesses or they're just plain better. I'd rather not have the overpowered wonder twins back. Nerf AST instead.

They don't know how to properly nerf.
We saw what happened. When they nerf, they completely butcher

Buff instead.

Originally Posted by KDSilver

They don't know how to properly nerf.
We saw what happened. When they nerf, they completely butcher

Buff instead.

This exactly. AST has been basically unplayable at the start of every Expansion, and SCH is at 2/4 (maybe 3, but I wasn't here for 2.0, so I can't speak for that). They don't start as the wonder twins, but they sure do get there.

Originally Posted by KDSilver

They don't know how to properly nerf.
We saw what happened. When they nerf, they completely butcher

Buff instead.

Squeenix has proven time and again they will never give WHM utility

Overpowered zero weaknesses AST and SCH running circles around utility-less no identity WHM it is, then? Gee willikers, I can't *wait* for a whole 'nother expansion of AST and SCH mains hogging the meta and condescendingly telling WHM fans that the devs "should definitely bring you up a little". But GOD no not patching the weaknesses in that kit, having zero weaknesses is AST and SCH's thing. Round and round we go.

Originally Posted by Eloah

Umm... SCH never had any of those things, at least not how you indicate. To start SCH did have Shadowflare, like SMN, but it was a spell until SB where it was turned into an ability, then in ShB it was removed from both.

Fester was never a SCH skill, it has always been SMN exclusive. I'm not sure if you played SMN/SCH prior to ShB, but Fester was always a job exclusive skill SMN got at 30. It was only in ShB that the skill was moved into the ACN portion of leveling. Probably a jab at the old ARR memes of a SMN just being an ACN with Fester, lol.

Atherflow, for. SCH, hasn't changed at all, the skill still functions as it always has. The only change, that both makes sense, but is still annoying, is the MP regained from the skill. It use to be 20% but is now 10%. What it does has changed, but it's functionality is the same. This is not the case with the SMN version of Energy Drain, which use to be identical to the SCH version, but now performs a different function.

Similarly, Lustrate still serves the same purpose, it was just changed to a flat potency heal instead of a percentage heal. Which was a good move given the current state of HP pools. If the percentage was still as it was, SCH would be broken, as they would heal around 40,000k+ HP on a tank. Though, I'll admit the time may have come for Lustrate to get a little boost in potency.

Anyway, the point I'm expressing is that Energy Drain is, and has always been SCHs only for of DPS for Aetherflow. Shadowflare never used a stack, SCH never had Fester, and Aetherflow and Lustrate are the same skills they've always been, just changed slightly.

Just to add: Bane also cost 1 stack of AF, and was a DPS tool too, just much more situational.

When I first started the game in ARR Ifrit and Titan Extreme were super challenging. I learned so much in those two fights specifically and the experience has always stuck with me. Scholar Shields felt so good back then and its never really been as satisfying to play Scholar ever since then. If we could get that rush back from having real MP constraints and decision making I would be ecstatic. Piety is useless currently and most fights can be healed with a roulette approach. Just guess which one of your 17 heals you're in the mood for when a raidwide goes out and then back to spamming a nuke button. Im really hoping Endwalker shakes things up for the healing role.

I think a great way to fix SCH (and SMN at the same time) would be the removal of aetherflow and the heals requiring it and give both something completely new instead (or in SCH case, let at the very least the Fairy Gauge be the Main Focus of the Job) so that SMN can finally be cut off from Arcanist and be on its own (and give SMN a new combat stance/job emotes while were at it, i know its a minor thing but it always annoyed me how SCH and SMN look the exact same when having their Books "unsheathed").

Honestly speaking, even with Endwalker coming soon at our doorstep as the climax of the hydaelyn/zodiark arc, the thing i am most hyped about is not the story or any of the sidecontent, but instead the patchnotes which tell us how Healers will turn out, and hopefully for the better for once.

Originally Posted by Anhra

Honestly speaking, even with Endwalker coming soon at our doorstep as the climax of the hydaelyn/zodiark arc, the thing i am most hyped about is not the story or any of the sidecontent, but instead the patchnotes which tell us how Healers will turn out, and hopefully for the better for once.

Pretty much the same for me. As important as the story is, it will keep me occupied for maybe 4-5 days. The job design will basically determine if I'll stick around for Endwalker or if it's gonna be another Shadowbringers where I can't even find the motivation to do anything because the jobs, especially tanks and healers, bore me to death.
The story might be amazing but it simply can't carry a whole expansion, we saw that with the current one.