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    Quote Originally Posted by QooEr View Post
    emergency tactics exists, you really never rely on physick for anything unless youre super low level, and even then its a stretch. even in big pulls after you run out of absolutely everything, its adlo > physick > adlo, but to reach that point a lot of things have to have gone wrong

    doom mechanics are also fine because scholar has indom, recitation and emergency tactics. and also a cohealer


    i dont think deleting aetherflow would solve scholars current problems, at least from a gameplay standpoint. even removing the aetherflow opportunity cost, the biggest issue with scholars healing is it has no good actions for weaving. if scholars healing actions werent tied to a resource it would *still* be a loss to use them because ruin ii is too weak compared to broil. if the devs wanted scholars to heal more they shouldve buffed ruin 2, not broil.
    Emergency Tactics is such a garbage skill, and you're still eating the massive MP cost for using it. Putting it on a 15s cooldown doesn't make up for the fact that you have to rely on several cooldowns what the other two healers can do with either one direct cooldown or a direct GCD. And, if you're using Emergency Tactics to just get to full HP, then that's an overheal you could have used on a shield since the essential healing would have given you more if you got the shield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    Emergency Tactics is such a garbage skill, and you're still eating the massive MP cost for using it. Putting it on a 15s cooldown doesn't make up for the fact that you have to rely on several cooldowns what the other two healers can do with either one direct cooldown or a direct GCD.
    Scholar does not have to be good at literally everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    Scholar does not have to be good at literally everything.
    *points to AST being good at literally everything*
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    The reason aetherflow is like it is, is because SE keep trying to get rid of it instead of working with it as it has always been a core component of the job

    really, the fairy gauge is the thing that needs deleting. That second gauge has just then..there for lack of a better term. It affects fey union and fey blessing. Fey blessing didn't used to require anything on eos, and fey union could very easily be a cooldown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    The reason aetherflow is like it is, is because SE keep trying to get rid of it instead of working with it as it has always been a core component of the job

    really, the fairy gauge is the thing that needs deleting. That second gauge has just then..there for lack of a better term. It affects fey union and fey blessing. Fey blessing didn't used to require anything on eos, and fey union could very easily be a cooldown.
    Oh, hey, remember when Greased Lightning was a core mechanic of Monk that everyone agreed was holding it back, so SE got rid of it and now people generally agree it's a better job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    Oh, hey, remember when Greased Lightning was a core mechanic of Monk that everyone agreed was holding it back, so SE got rid of it and now people generally agree it's a better job?
    You sure about that?
    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...but-with-no-GL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    *read beyond the first post*

    Yeah, actually. Drak and people beyond the first post are saying that what they have now is likely temporary just so it can function because so many skills are just going to GL maintenance. They even mentioned they don't want something like Aetherflow for Monk, so, uh, thanks for proving my point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    Oh, hey, remember when Greased Lightning was a core mechanic of Monk that everyone agreed was holding it back, so SE got rid of it and now people generally agree it's a better job?
    Remember when sch had aetherflow dumps other than energy drain that formed a core part of scholar's dps and healing it such as shadowflare, fester, original aetherflow and original lustrate?

    Those other things sch's complained about being stripped away and losing its tactical decision making yeah, those.

    Aetherflow is a much more popular and vital mechanic. Greased lightning's problem was the devs, like with healers funadmentally refusing to understand how monk plays (you keep GL up as much as you could, NEVER burn it out...so monk had 5 GL spenders because devs never tested monk or looked to see how it played)

    The other point about GL was that the fight design has changed since then to be outright crippling monk and removing gl every few mechanics. The reason everyone is mixed in that thread is because 2.0 monk is square 1 which just shows how monk regressed each expansion instead of getting better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    Remember when sch had aetherflow dumps other than energy drain that formed a core part of scholar's dps and healing it such as shadowflare, fester, original aetherflow and original lustrate?
    Umm... SCH never had any of those things, at least not how you indicate. To start SCH did have Shadowflare, like SMN, but it was a spell until SB where it was turned into an ability, then in ShB it was removed from both.

    Fester was never a SCH skill, it has always been SMN exclusive. I'm not sure if you played SMN/SCH prior to ShB, but Fester was always a job exclusive skill SMN got at 30. It was only in ShB that the skill was moved into the ACN portion of leveling. Probably a jab at the old ARR memes of a SMN just being an ACN with Fester, lol.

    Atherflow, for. SCH, hasn't changed at all, the skill still functions as it always has. The only change, that both makes sense, but is still annoying, is the MP regained from the skill. It use to be 20% but is now 10%. What it does has changed, but it's functionality is the same. This is not the case with the SMN version of Energy Drain, which use to be identical to the SCH version, but now performs a different function.

    Similarly, Lustrate still serves the same purpose, it was just changed to a flat potency heal instead of a percentage heal. Which was a good move given the current state of HP pools. If the percentage was still as it was, SCH would be broken, as they would heal around 40,000k+ HP on a tank. Though, I'll admit the time may have come for Lustrate to get a little boost in potency.

    Anyway, the point I'm expressing is that Energy Drain is, and has always been SCHs only for of DPS for Aetherflow. Shadowflare never used a stack, SCH never had Fester, and Aetherflow and Lustrate are the same skills they've always been, just changed slightly.
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