Full Darklight Set

[Penguin]

It i's a theory, simply put, that acknowledges that the drop rate could be affected by additional performance factors. And it is a valid one at that, as hard as it may seem to prove.

We finish our normal runs in 17-19 minutes so with 40+ minutes on the timer every single time, pretty much always with 0 deaths (people make mistakes sometimes it happens) and we have averaged a 2.5-2.6% drop rate.

Others are claiming a 5%-10% drop rate.

Are they clearing it faster than us? because if not your theory already doesn't hold water.

If anything it seems like the slower you clear and the more mistakes you make the more DL you get because the only times we have ever gotten double DL were on runs where we wiped once, pretty sure our first double DL was actually on a run where we wiped on mistress and didn't even get the speed run chest.

[fusional]

i used pretty explicit language, guy. not my fault your reading comprehension is taking a hit for whatever reason.

but just to clear things up- if we'd done 2500 runs, even if averaging 2 runs an hour, that's 1250 hours of work. or 52 days. of non-stop av/cc. without any breaks of any kind. and it's been just under 52 days since patch. simple math. and so i guess simple logic would suggest my LS and i are cyborgs.

anyway, since anecdotal evidence seems to be your favorite- why don't you show us some of your detailed spreadsheets supporting your hypothesis. until then, raw numbers corroborated by many other LSs (as well as pretty much the entire JP community) win the day.

in the meantime, maybe try facing SW on firesday on a full moon wearing all red gear for dalamud and tell me if that increases your drops. chances are you'll get lucky and score a darklight piece with your whopping sample size of 5 and try to convince us this is how to get drops 100% of the time.

so have fun with that, i guess.

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[YuriSan]

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What a horrible crime (lolz)

[Madruk]

I don't think any of us really care. We all know the drop rates are abysmal. I seriously doubt "performance" means jack shit. Maybe when things settle down people will care more about detailed spreadsheets and the like, but with the game changing every other month, it's pretty pointless right now.

Of course I'll try hopping on one foot facing west on a full moon while doing the dungeon in under 16 minutes to test this theory of increasing drop rates.

[Sigmakan]

The most likely explanation - people exaggerate both ways. People looking for sympathy will exaggerate so their drop% is lower. People looking to brag/boast exaggerate so their drop% is higher.

Peng, out of curiosity, the drop % you've listed. Is that counting all final chests? From what we've seen, and maybe its just terrible luck, we've never seen darklight come from the far left chest in either raid. Counting that chest may skew things if in fact it doesnt drop darklight.

Counting all 5 chests, our LS is at 2.11% drop rate (0.99% in Cutters, 3.85% in AV). So our overall drop rate seems fairly close to yours

[Rydin]

The most likely explanation - people exaggerate both ways. People looking for sympathy will exaggerate so their drop% is lower. People looking to brag/boast exaggerate so their drop% is higher.

Peng, out of curiosity, the drop % you've listed. Is that counting all final chests? From what we've seen, and maybe its just terrible luck, we've never seen darklight come from the far left chest in either raid. Counting that chest may skew things if in fact it doesnt drop darklight.

Counting all 5 chests, our LS is at 2.11% drop rate (0.99% in Cutters, 3.85% in AV). So our overall drop rate seems fairly close to yours

Ideally I'd think people want to know the drop rate of each individual chest... and if the chest has multiple darklight, the chance of each particular item

[Matsume]

We finish our normal runs in 17-19 minutes so with 40+ minutes on the timer every single time, pretty much always with 0 deaths (people make mistakes sometimes it happens) and we have averaged a 2.5-2.6% drop rate.

Others are claiming a 5%-10% drop rate.

Are they clearing it faster than us? because if not your theory already doesn't hold water.

If anything it seems like the slower you clear and the more mistakes you make the more DL you get because the only times we have ever gotten double DL were on runs where we wiped once, pretty sure our first double DL was actually on a run where we wiped on mistress and didn't even get the speed run chest.

I must admit right off the bad if you clear in under 40 mins you're doing a damn good job and I speak from experience.

As for my theory it was jokingly directed at deaths as being a factor in the same sense that speed runs are. That being said it is fact that if you do the run in under 25 minutes you get the speed run and spawn extra chests. It is ALSO a fact that some of these and other chests in the dungeon will only appear after killing a specific number or set of mobs in each room.

Both of these are performance factors that must be executed in order to make appear the extra chests that supposedly drop this mythical Darklight gear. My theory is more of an acknowledgement that there may be other hidden performance factors that we are not yet aware of that may or may not trigger an increase in the drop rate of a specific darklight piece.

It could be that a non requisite monster near by a group of requisite monsters (toad next to lilies) is a secondary trigger that allows for the drop of a specific piece from a specific chest. In other words what if there is a set of mobs and timing that are required to spawn the additional chest and a whole other set to force darklight out of these chests?

That's about as far fetched as it gets, but entirely possible.

The most likely explanation - people exaggerate both ways. People looking for sympathy will exaggerate so their drop% is lower. People looking to brag/boast exaggerate so their drop% is higher.

Peng, out of curiosity, the drop % you've listed. Is that counting all final chests? From what we've seen, and maybe its just terrible luck, we've never seen darklight come from the far left chest in either raid. Counting that chest may skew things if in fact it doesnt drop darklight.

Counting all 5 chests, our LS is at 2.11% drop rate (0.99% in Cutters, 3.85% in AV). So our overall drop rate seems fairly close to yours

Which brings me to my next point: has it been established which pieces drop from which chests? I would be surprised to see any spreadsheet that has logged the exact time, number of deaths, items, and items from which chest for each run...

For all we know that chest doesn't even drop a darklight piece...

Ideally I'd think people want to know the drop rate of each individual chest... and if the chest has multiple darklight, the chance of each particular item

[Penguin]

The most likely explanation - people exaggerate both ways. People looking for sympathy will exaggerate so their drop% is lower. People looking to brag/boast exaggerate so their drop% is higher.

Peng, out of curiosity, the drop % you've listed. Is that counting all final chests? From what we've seen, and maybe its just terrible luck, we've never seen darklight come from the far left chest in either raid. Counting that chest may skew things if in fact it doesnt drop darklight.

Counting all 5 chests, our LS is at 2.11% drop rate (0.99% in Cutters, 3.85% in AV). So our overall drop rate seems fairly close to yours

That is counting all final chests yes.

And pretty sure we have had every chest drop an item in AV atleast, i think the only DL we have never gotten is Darklight Gauntlets but thats mainly because we rarely do CC anymore.

Its kinda hard to tell with how fast the chests are opened at times.

[Theplatter]

Ugh, 11 pages and only 4 images of full sets....