About damage essences in Delubrum/Dalriada

[KhayleZerker]

What's the sentiment around always having damage essences ready for pug parties in Delubrum Reginae/Dalriada?

I've been called lazy, dumb, and someone said I had "you don't pay my sub" energy because I don't want to sink Gil or Bozjan clusters into buying fragments. I've almost finished my first relic and I've simply used up the few damage increase essences I had! Swapped jobs to healer/tank when my main, Ninja, didn't have any damage essences left. I then depleted them all for healers/tanks too. I did buy around 35 fragments with 150k Gil to get the skirmisher essence, and I got a whopping 0. The bozjan clusters are being saved up for the expensive mount.

Someone in /shout chat in Dalriada complained that the run was slow because of "selfish people" who didn't use essences. They then suggested to go and cluster farm for a few hours so you can buy fragments, because "you have no excuse not to be using damage essences".

My question is, since when did other people become entitled to my time? When I've ran Castrum 5 times, Delubrum 15 and Dalriada 2, meanwhile using essences whenever I possibly can, in all these raids + while farming fates/CE's in Bozja/Zadnor, it might not be so weird that I don't have them available 24/7? I don't feel like sinking my gil into the fragment roulette or use bozjan clusters, because I want that mount. I'm not gonna go out of my way to grind clusters for hours just to make your run 1 minute faster. If I have the damage essences then of course I'll use them! Like probably everyone else, I also want the run to go as fast as possible. But being hostile to others because they don't have a damage essence in a PUG is unreasonable to me. Go join a fixed party in party finder then! Everyone having a damage essence 24/7 100% of the time is just not realistic!

Thoughts?

[Canadane]

My question is, since when did other people become entitled to my time?

From their perspective, it's 'why are you entitled to theirs?'
They've put in whatever farm was needed for them to get essences. Sorry your RNG was poor in your recent purchase, but at the end of the day, again from their perspective, is that you and others not using essences and lost actions are simply slowing down the raid.

[KhayleZerker]

I use lost actions all the time, but I'm simply out of options because 1) I have 2m Gil, I'm not depleting it on fragments. 2) the bozjan clusters are for the mount, I would be happy to spend them on fragments after. 3) Even If I were to grind clusters for hours or sink my Gil into the MB, there's no guarantee how many dps essences I'll get. Spending several hours cluster farming to make the time I spend online in dungeons go faster, is in itself counter-intuitive. It only benefits everyone else but you. If that's selfish to say, then yeah I'm selfish I guess. That's why I run the dungeons on whatever job has a damage essence available. I'll just stop doing the raids when I'm empty, then.

[technole]

I had a Dalriada that was on the teeth of failing today on Diablo because of low essence usage, low DPS, and deaths. People actually left before the last fight probably knowing the low damage. So you can imagine if it weren't for a handful of people like me using damage essences and decent rotations, that would have been a fail.

[Vahlnir]

I had a Dalriada that was on the teeth of failing today on Diablo because of low essence usage, low DPS, and deaths. People actually left before the last fight probably knowing the low damage. So you can imagine if it weren't for a handful of people like me using damage essences and decent rotations, that would have been a fail.

I'd say the issue there was mostly the players themselves skill wise, not their essences or even the low dps. My last Dalriada run was filled to the brim with WHMs which, while they can do respectable dps with essences, weren't putting out large enough numbers to help things along in a timely fashion. As to whether they were all using essences I can't really say. I just know they were there. It was semi slow going, but it got finished. Dalriada is super forgiving.

[technole]

I'd say the issue there was mostly the players themselves skill wise, not their essences or even the low dps. My last Dalriada run was filled to the brim with WHMs which, while they can do respectable dps with essences, weren't putting out large enough numbers to help things along in a timely fashion. As to whether they were all using essences I can't really say. I just know they were there. It was semi slow going, but it got finished. Dalriada is super forgiving.

Of course. People already having bad rotations isn't going to make things much better with a damage essence, and then add things like raise sickness and it's even worse. You can almost think of these raid dungeons could be equal to a slow DF expert roulette with a few bad players and then amplify that x 20 perhaps.

Healers using Templar essences at the minimum usually puts them above most average red DPS in damage. I feel there is no reason to run defensive essences as a healer in DR or Dal unless they are tanking, and since you got other actions and skills to boost defense.

[Aurida]

What's the sentiment around always having damage essences ready for pug parties in Delubrum Reginae/Dalriada?

You should always do it, it shaves a significant amount of time off any fight and not bringing damage-boosting or at least supportive actions is blatantly disrespectful to everyone who is. There's a lot of sentiment of 'entitled to your time' thrown around in these topics, but it's only because of the people who do bring optimal setups- or, indeed, setups at all- that every CE doesn't take eight or more minutes and multiple loops of the boss pattern

Everyone having a damage essence 24/7 100% of the time is just not realistic!

aetherweaver for healers is literally an 80% damage increase and martialist for tanks is 60%, both of which are trivially farmed off of completely non-threatening mobs in bozja's first zone via fragments of skill, and skirmisher or ordained are obtained similarly in the second zone via awakening, though the recent decrease in cost to the fragments for pure essences means you can obtain enough for multiple runs of Delubrum simply by killing magitek located around the site of literally every single skirmish in zadnor while also obtaining high-value lost actions like Rend Armor and Dervish

Not only is it 'realistic' but I also strongly believe that the first raidwide off of the first boss in Delubrum should automatically kill you if you don't have an essence up

[lezard21]

If you don't want people to tell you you come off as "you don't pay my sub" person then use essences. Simple solution, I don't see the issue here. Next question!

[Theodric]

It's mostly a matter of etiquette. In group content, everybody is working towards the same goal - to walk away with a victory when all is said and done. Essences aren't technically mandatory but if the majority of players in a group are using the appropriate essences then the difference in the speed of a clear is akin to the contrast between night and day.

Given that a lot of people are farming the same raid over and over, then anything that makes the experience smoother and faster is very likely to be seen as very favourable.