What is ERP?

[Saefinn]

I'll admit I'm ignorant to such "for the lulz" and gil dealings and aforementioned types of PF mentioned being the bulk of it as yeah I can probably then concede and say, maybe PF is not the best place for such things. ERP postings outside of that I'm on the fence for, if SE decided to action on those, I'd probably get why.

But I am in support of any venues who do the responsible thing and heck, self police to the point they oust people doing the wrong thing. And I don't think ERP should get the stigma it has on the basis it's consensual and between adults and of course, executed in private as it's not an adult game, which they tend to anyway.

I tend to agree with that GM, RP shouldn't be advertised in PF either, but at the very least SE should deal with the blatant adult listings. RPers should be asking for more social features, so we all can have a better curated experience.

Whilst I don't see a problem with it & I think it can be very useful for that purpose, I can agree that better social features should be pushed and may be better, because if anything it's a good compromise between those who find PF useful for this purpose and rely on it to a degree AND not annoy those who don't like to see the PF full of social events advertisements. Whilst I don't 'get' the hard objection, but at the same time we're not here to try to make anybody have be a bad time and better social features if anything is a good compromise.

One thing I suggested in that monster of a thread is to have a "social events" feature of the Fellowship Finder where fellowships can advertise public events in an "Upcoming Events" section and I think with matching tags too. If anything it'd encourage more use of the Fellowship Finder overall and add benefit to what is currently a weak system. Something similar is already done across RP communities outside the scope of the game itself (And emphasis on "social" it doesn't just have to be for RP use and benefit non-RPers)

[van_arn]

I'm going to ask; why? While I would absolutely love more social features, considering the stuff we having isn't the most antiquate... But I'm curious as to why it's problematic, in your opinion, that someone advertises in the Party Finder's "other" section?

I don't care if things are advertised unless that advertisement is for adult content in a game that welcomes teens.

I'm sorry, there is no further justification needed. Any defense of that action by players is despicable.

[DreadCrow]

I don't care if things are advertised unless that advertisement is for adult content in a game that welcomes teens.

I'm sorry, there is no further justification needed. Any defense of that action is despicable.

I'd like you to point out where I'm defending that sort of advertisement. I've made it pretty clear I don't believe it should be advertised in the party finder. I'm not questioning or defending it. I'm just curious as to why non-explicit content can't be advertised. That's what the person said.

[van_arn]

I'd like you to point out where I'm defending that sort of advertisement. I've made it pretty clear I don't believe it should be advertised in the party finder. I'm not questioning or defending it. I'm just curious as to why non-explicit content can't be advertised. That's what the person said.

Since it's not possible for a GM or player to determine what is 18+ NSFW and 18+ "I hate kids" then perhaps it's best to just nuke it all.

I'm not entirely on board with that just yet, but I'm starting to think that's the best solution. I understand the non-erp players want to disavow the ERP side when convenient, but that just makes the public ERP players rules lawyer their way behind the RP players to hide.

A purge may be necessary.

[Saefinn]

Since it's not possible for a GM or player to determine what is 18+ NSFW and 18+ "I hate kids" then perhaps it's best to just nuke it all.

I'm not entirely on board with that just yet, but I'm starting to think that's the best solution. I understand the non-erp players want to disavow the ERP side when convenient, but that just makes the public ERP players rules lawyer their way behind the RP players to hide.

A purge may be necessary.

Punishing one group for the actions of another is not really a good message to send out or a good thing to do nor is alienating a large portion of their player base, especially if they've done no wrong. The thing is, they can determine it because they can investigate, they have the tools to do so. Going back to an old interview with YoshiP on the topic of Brothel advertisements, he suggested reporting them to that effect so that they can be investigated for any wrong doing. They moderate on case-by-case basis, not by blanketly going after people who fall into a certain group. I think if they didn't moderate on case-by-case basis we should all be worried about unfair GM actions being taken against us.

[Teppie]

I mean often times ERP groups will do regular RP, not as a novelty but because they genuinely enjoy standard RP. It's not mutually exclusive.

[van_arn]

Punishing one group for the actions of another is not really a good message to send out or a good thing to do nor is alienating a large portion of their player base, especially if they've done no wrong. The thing is, they can determine it because they can investigate, they have the tools to do so. Going back to an old interview with YoshiP on the topic of Brothel advertisements, he suggested reporting them to that effect so that they can be investigated for any wrong doing. They moderate on case-by-case basis, not by blanketly going after people who fall into a certain group. I think if they didn't moderate on case-by-case basis we should all be worried about unfair GM actions being taken against us.

Perhaps, but when one group disguises themselves in another it may become necessary to remove the entire group.

I don't think this needs to happen right now, but it's looking increasingly likely this will be necessary if the community can't learn boundaries.

[DreadCrow]

Since it's not possible for a GM or player to determine what is 18+ NSFW and 18+ "I hate kids" then perhaps it's best to just nuke it all.

Two follow up questions, then. 1.) What about 18+ FCs? Should we not allow them for similar reasons? 2.) What about venues that aren't even 18+? I'm working on a Triple Triad parlor. It's going to be a place intended for casual role-play and Triple Traid. The only "adult" content is a bar... And since those exist in game, I really don't have a reason to put an 18+ rating on it.

I'm not entirely on board with that just yet, but I'm starting to think that's the best solution.

You sure seem like you're on board with it. But more on that in a sec...

I understand the non-erp players want to disavow the ERP side when convenient, but that just makes the public ERP players rules lawyer their way behind the RP players to hide.

If the only people that got hit by GM were ERP venues, I would have given exactly zero craps. Since as I mentioned, more than once, I don't think ERP venues should publicly advertise. In fact, my initial response was total apathy... But when I found out that it wasn't just ERP venues, but even some family friendly ones and someone looking for someone to talk to while they grind their fishing relic..? Yeah. But this sort of logic, we should ban all alcohol because some people drink and drive. Doesn't really seem productive.

A purge may be necessary.

And when I see hyperbolic comments like this, it makes me feel you really don't care about the children, and that's just an excuse to try to mock and make miscible a group of people you think are weirdos. You throw that in there, with the rest, and it makes your entirely argument feel like you're being disingenuous.

[van_arn]

Two follow up questions, then. 1.) What about 18+ FCs? Should we not allow them for similar reasons? 2.) What about venues that aren't even 18+? I'm working on a Triple Triad parlor. It's going to be a place intended for casual role-play and Triple Traid. The only "adult" content is a bar... And since those exist in game, I really don't have a reason to put an 18+ rating on it.



You sure seem like you're on board with it. But more on that in a sec...




If the only people that got hit by GM were ERP venues, I would have given exactly zero craps. Since as I mentioned, more than once, I don't think ERP venues should publicly advertise. In fact, my initial response was total apathy... But when I found out that it wasn't just ERP venues, but even some family friendly ones and someone looking for someone to talk to while they grind their fishing relic..? Yeah. But this sort of logic, we should ban all alcohol because some people drink and drive. Doesn't really seem productive.



And when I see hyperbolic comments like this, it makes me feel you really don't care about the children, and that's just an excuse to try to mock and make miscible a group of people you think are weirdos. You throw that in there, with the rest, and it makes your entirely argument feel like you're being disingenuous.

Or maybe -- just maybe -- I believe every word I said. And maybe -- just maybe -- the more I read through that thread the more I am convinced a certain group attracted weirdos we'd be better off without.

[DreadCrow]

Or maybe -- just maybe -- I believe every word I said. And maybe -- just maybe -- the more I read through that thread the more I was convinced a certain group were weirdos we'd be better off without.

Very few people, if any, in that thread spoke out in defense of ERP venues getting hit. One person said they like the tags so they 100% know what they are getting into. Other people have mentioned there's a big difference between 18+ and ERP and shouldn't be considered the same. Almost everyone thinks (rightfully) that everybody shouldn't get punished for bad apples... Something I believe in every aspect of life.

But again... If you're so concerned about the children, we need to ban all those FCs that are 18+, right?

Like I want to believe you're genuine. I want to believe the most charitable thing of everyone... But it's also very hard to do so, when you seem completely find with people who just want to play pretend getting punished because of people do bad things... Doubly so when you use words like "purge", which outside the medical/health field has always had some rather authoritarian conditions and feels more meme-y that serious.