What is ERP?

[van_arn]

I'd like you to point out where I'm defending that sort of advertisement. I've made it pretty clear I don't believe it should be advertised in the party finder. I'm not questioning or defending it. I'm just curious as to why non-explicit content can't be advertised. That's what the person said.

Since it's not possible for a GM or player to determine what is 18+ NSFW and 18+ "I hate kids" then perhaps it's best to just nuke it all.

I'm not entirely on board with that just yet, but I'm starting to think that's the best solution. I understand the non-erp players want to disavow the ERP side when convenient, but that just makes the public ERP players rules lawyer their way behind the RP players to hide.

A purge may be necessary.

[Saefinn]

Since it's not possible for a GM or player to determine what is 18+ NSFW and 18+ "I hate kids" then perhaps it's best to just nuke it all.

I'm not entirely on board with that just yet, but I'm starting to think that's the best solution. I understand the non-erp players want to disavow the ERP side when convenient, but that just makes the public ERP players rules lawyer their way behind the RP players to hide.

A purge may be necessary.

Punishing one group for the actions of another is not really a good message to send out or a good thing to do nor is alienating a large portion of their player base, especially if they've done no wrong. The thing is, they can determine it because they can investigate, they have the tools to do so. Going back to an old interview with YoshiP on the topic of Brothel advertisements, he suggested reporting them to that effect so that they can be investigated for any wrong doing. They moderate on case-by-case basis, not by blanketly going after people who fall into a certain group. I think if they didn't moderate on case-by-case basis we should all be worried about unfair GM actions being taken against us.

[van_arn]

Punishing one group for the actions of another is not really a good message to send out or a good thing to do nor is alienating a large portion of their player base, especially if they've done no wrong. The thing is, they can determine it because they can investigate, they have the tools to do so. Going back to an old interview with YoshiP on the topic of Brothel advertisements, he suggested reporting them to that effect so that they can be investigated for any wrong doing. They moderate on case-by-case basis, not by blanketly going after people who fall into a certain group. I think if they didn't moderate on case-by-case basis we should all be worried about unfair GM actions being taken against us.

Perhaps, but when one group disguises themselves in another it may become necessary to remove the entire group.

I don't think this needs to happen right now, but it's looking increasingly likely this will be necessary if the community can't learn boundaries.

[DreadCrow]

Since it's not possible for a GM or player to determine what is 18+ NSFW and 18+ "I hate kids" then perhaps it's best to just nuke it all.

Two follow up questions, then. 1.) What about 18+ FCs? Should we not allow them for similar reasons? 2.) What about venues that aren't even 18+? I'm working on a Triple Triad parlor. It's going to be a place intended for casual role-play and Triple Traid. The only "adult" content is a bar... And since those exist in game, I really don't have a reason to put an 18+ rating on it.

I'm not entirely on board with that just yet, but I'm starting to think that's the best solution.

You sure seem like you're on board with it. But more on that in a sec...

I understand the non-erp players want to disavow the ERP side when convenient, but that just makes the public ERP players rules lawyer their way behind the RP players to hide.

If the only people that got hit by GM were ERP venues, I would have given exactly zero craps. Since as I mentioned, more than once, I don't think ERP venues should publicly advertise. In fact, my initial response was total apathy... But when I found out that it wasn't just ERP venues, but even some family friendly ones and someone looking for someone to talk to while they grind their fishing relic..? Yeah. But this sort of logic, we should ban all alcohol because some people drink and drive. Doesn't really seem productive.

A purge may be necessary.

And when I see hyperbolic comments like this, it makes me feel you really don't care about the children, and that's just an excuse to try to mock and make miscible a group of people you think are weirdos. You throw that in there, with the rest, and it makes your entirely argument feel like you're being disingenuous.

[van_arn]

Two follow up questions, then. 1.) What about 18+ FCs? Should we not allow them for similar reasons? 2.) What about venues that aren't even 18+? I'm working on a Triple Triad parlor. It's going to be a place intended for casual role-play and Triple Traid. The only "adult" content is a bar... And since those exist in game, I really don't have a reason to put an 18+ rating on it.



You sure seem like you're on board with it. But more on that in a sec...




If the only people that got hit by GM were ERP venues, I would have given exactly zero craps. Since as I mentioned, more than once, I don't think ERP venues should publicly advertise. In fact, my initial response was total apathy... But when I found out that it wasn't just ERP venues, but even some family friendly ones and someone looking for someone to talk to while they grind their fishing relic..? Yeah. But this sort of logic, we should ban all alcohol because some people drink and drive. Doesn't really seem productive.



And when I see hyperbolic comments like this, it makes me feel you really don't care about the children, and that's just an excuse to try to mock and make miscible a group of people you think are weirdos. You throw that in there, with the rest, and it makes your entirely argument feel like you're being disingenuous.

Or maybe -- just maybe -- I believe every word I said. And maybe -- just maybe -- the more I read through that thread the more I am convinced a certain group attracted weirdos we'd be better off without.

[DreadCrow]

Or maybe -- just maybe -- I believe every word I said. And maybe -- just maybe -- the more I read through that thread the more I was convinced a certain group were weirdos we'd be better off without.

Very few people, if any, in that thread spoke out in defense of ERP venues getting hit. One person said they like the tags so they 100% know what they are getting into. Other people have mentioned there's a big difference between 18+ and ERP and shouldn't be considered the same. Almost everyone thinks (rightfully) that everybody shouldn't get punished for bad apples... Something I believe in every aspect of life.

But again... If you're so concerned about the children, we need to ban all those FCs that are 18+, right?

Like I want to believe you're genuine. I want to believe the most charitable thing of everyone... But it's also very hard to do so, when you seem completely find with people who just want to play pretend getting punished because of people do bad things... Doubly so when you use words like "purge", which outside the medical/health field has always had some rather authoritarian conditions and feels more meme-y that serious.

[van_arn]

Very few people, if any, in that thread spoke out in defense of ERP venues getting hit. One person said they like the tags so they 100% know what they are getting into. Other people have mentioned there's a big difference between 18+ and ERP and shouldn't be considered the same. Almost everyone thinks (rightfully) that everybody shouldn't get punished for bad apples... Something I believe in every aspect of life.

But again... If you're so concerned about the children, we need to ban all those FCs that are 18+, right?

Like I want to believe you're genuine. I want to believe the most charitable thing of everyone... But it's also very hard to do so, when you seem completely find with people who just want to play pretend getting punished because of people do bad things... Doubly so when you use words like "purge", which outside the medical/health field has always had some rather authoritarian conditions and feels more meme-y that serious.

You realize that expression you use -- bad apple -- refers to "one bad apple can spoil the barrel?"

I'm merely saying I'm increasingly convinced the barrel is now spoiled.

Yes, "for the children." Because it's still a game they are encouraged to play.

Square removed chat from PVP for toxicity; perhaps it's time to remove custom PF messages. That would be a nice workaround to remove run sellers, brothel ads, and feet pics. People doing actual gameplay party content could still form up and set PF accordingly, and statics could still recruit via the Balance.

Social gatherings could still find a place in community finder, but we'd need to look into moderation there as well-- perhaps preset messages. Kicking every social post off PF would go a long way into forcing people to find a way to make the community finder work, as well.

[DreadCrow]

You realize that expression you use -- bad apple -- refers to "one bad apple can spoil the barrel?"

I'm merely saying I'm increasingly convinced the barrel is now spoiled.

Yes, "for the children." Because it's still a game they are encouraged to play.

Square removed chat from PVP for toxicity; perhaps it's time to remove custom PF messages. That would be a nice workaround to remove run sellers, brothel ads, and feet pics. People doing actual gameplay party content could still form up and set PF accordingly, and statics could still recruit via the Balance.

Social gatherings could still find a place in community finder, but we'd need to look into moderation there as well-- perhaps preset messages. Kicking every social post off PF would go a long way into forcing people to find a way to make the community finder work, as well.

One bad apple spoils can spoil the bunch, but you don't suddenly make it so that no one can ever eat apples again. But to be very clear... "for the children", you absolutely think that every 18+ FC should have to close its doors and stop recruiting?

[van_arn]

One bad apple spoils can spoil the bunch, but you don't suddenly make it so that no one can ever eat apples again. But to be very clear... "for the children", you absolutely think that every 18+ FC should have to close its doors and stop recruiting?

No, I'm simply saying the GMs need to take out the trash. The longer the wait, the more trash they'll need to take out.

[Penthea]

Since it's not possible for a GM or player to determine what is 18+ NSFW and 18+ "I hate kids" then perhaps it's best to just nuke it all.

You could say this about literally any content. There's nothing stopping a creep trying to get frisky with someone they met in a trial mount farm group. Creepy NSFW behaviour doesn't always only begin with rp.

The point of forbidding advertisements in PF that are clearly for erp is so that the game isn't openly showing ease of access for 18+ sexual content in a game that welcomes minors to play.

If the game was 18+ I wouldn't care as much. Sure minors would still be playing but parents who buy their children these games are the ones putting them at risk for not taking the age rating seriously. In the case of this game, that is rated for teens under 18, by allowing sexual content to be openly advertised we are literally hoping for minors to have enough sense to know how to deal with this situation. I hope I don't need to explain to anyone why this isn't good (not directed at you, just to anyone in general).