FFXIV is not a failure, never was.

[Antipika]

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The definition of success isn't "making profit". Keep that in mind. I never said SE was in the red and we don't care about that. If I start a project, I expect to get $[goal]. In the end I get less than $[goal] then it is a failure. I got less that I expected, I didn't reach my objective.

There's one figure everyone is aware about.

Income from monthly fee : $0.00/0.00€/£0.00 (pre-purchased crysta doesn't even count toward that as Crysta can be used for other services).

[Abriael]

The definition of success isn't "making profit". Keep that in mind. I never said SE was in the red and we don't care about that. If I start a project, I expect to get $[goal]. In the end I get less than $[goal] then it is a failure. I got less that I expected, I didn't reach my objective.

There's one figure everyone is aware about.

Income from monthly fee : $0.00/0.00€/£0.00 (pre-purchased crysta doesn't even count toward that as Crysta can be used for other services).

You simply don't know what the goals SE has for FFXIV are. Ergo, you're basing your wild assumptions on your personal expectations. The MMORPG market is so fossilized that most companies "goal" in the market is exactly to "make a profit". Also, goals have nothing to do with success and failure. Success and Failure are absolute terms. Goals can be and often are reassessed periodically.

Simply enough, it's not for you to decide if FFXIV is a failure. It's SE's prerogative to determine that, and since the game is still open, running and being developed. It means that it isn't. This isn't rocket science.

[Antipika]

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Not knowing the exact goal? Sure thing. Knowing that they were aiming higher then $0 income off fees? We all do To you a game that runs is not a failure? Could have said that in the first post and then lock this thread.

But keep on going!

[Abriael]

Not knowing the exact goal? Sure thing. Knowing that they were aiming higher then $0 income off fees? We all do To you a game that runs is not a failure?

Quite obviously. "failure" being an absolute term, there really aren't many other options.
Also, "failure" is a definitive term, not just absolute. Ergo, if SE tought the game was in any way a failure, they'd close it, instead of further investing in it's development.

[Shelia]

It's a failure in terms of not being what it was hyped to be upon launch.

It's not a failure in terms of it's still in development and has the potential to recover.

[Verecund]

The point of linking the article was to give everyone the 'FFXIV numbers' without actually linking the official report and expecting everyone to wade through it.

I could care less what anyone on the internet thinks of a single-player game

[Abriael]

The point of linking the article was to give everyone the 'FFXIV numbers' without actually linking the official report and expecting everyone to wade through it.

I could care less what anyone on the internet thinks of a single-player game

There are no "FFXIV numbers". There's a reduction in profit forecast. Which is much different (and still shows a profit).

Funny, by the way, how they talk of a "dreadful performance" of FFXIII, that sold very, very well.
Even more funny considering that FFXIII has absolutely nothing to do with the fiscal period at hand.
It's always lovely how some disreputable "journalists" let their personal biases warp reality in their reporting.

[Blitz0309]

It is a failure. They are "giving" it away at the moment, and unless they pretty much redesign it... its going to continue to be a failure. Or we can wait 5 years with the rate these patches are coming out (and what is contained), and it will keep its whopping player base of dedicated fans who hang on for some strange reason.

Oh well, i'm done "watching and hoping"... its pointless. I rebought 11 and i've played that for 2 days and had so much more fun than all the time i've spent on this POS. Even though 11 has gone to "easy mode", the lack of help for lowbies (getting gear/gil is a pitfa, but i'm actually even enjoying that)... still so much better. Oh well.

Thanks SE for putting a great name on a steaming pile. Way to use all of the years of experience you have with a MMO and throw it away. Great job rushing a game and pissing off your player base.

I'm glad you're finally listening, but the only reason you are is being you are failing... and you have no choice. If your profits weren't in the hole it would be business as usual.

[Abriael]

Oh well, i'm done "watching and hoping"... its pointless. I rebought 11 and i've played that for 2 days and had so much more fun than all the time i've spent on this POS. Even though 11 has gone to "easy mode", the lack of help for lowbies (getting gear/gil is a pitfa, but i'm actually even enjoying that)... still so much better. Oh well.

Good job comparing a game 6 months after release with another with 8 years and several expansions of post-launch development

I'm glad you're finally listening, but the only reason you are is being you are failing... and you have no choice. If your profits weren't in the hole it would be business as usual.

Actually, there are quite a lot of developers out there than don't listen anyway, whatever the state of their game is. And you know, quite a lot of developers and publishers (even major ones) would love to have the profits "in the hole" that SE has, since a large percentage of companies in the gaming market is in the red. SE isn't.

[Arcell]

I rebought 11 and i've played that for 2 days and had so much more fun than all the time i've spent on this POS.

Then I ask you, what are you still doing here? Seriously, if you like XI more then please by all means go play it and post on the forums specific to XI. I can respect your opinion that this game is a failure but you really need to move on if you hate this game so much.