FFXIV is not a failure, never was.

[Antipika]

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The definition of success isn't "making profit". Keep that in mind. I never said SE was in the red and we don't care about that. If I start a project, I expect to get $[goal]. In the end I get less than $[goal] then it is a failure. I got less that I expected, I didn't reach my objective.

There's one figure everyone is aware about.

Income from monthly fee : $0.00/0.00€/£0.00 (pre-purchased crysta doesn't even count toward that as Crysta can be used for other services).

[Zkieve]

Failure and success aren't measured on your expectations.
Is not my expectations, is that 90% of people who bought the game and stooped playing expectations.perhaps the one with super-mega low expectations is you.


Actually the game didn't become free to play. They are just temporarily waiving the monthly fees, which is an entirely different situation than going free to play.
The game was supposed to be P2P at launch , 6 months after is still F2P and probably wont start charging until ps3 release.Know when ps3 release is ? Probably wont even happen.Whatever you want to word it it does not change the fact the game is currently F2P, at least until the end of the year, or more.The small amount of people who would pay without major changes is not worth mentioning ( please take note i would pay , at least until i got bored again)


Which contradicts the very definition of "failure".

A failure now can be a success tomorrow , sometimes( very few).That DOES NOT change the fact the game sucks now , even the developers said it . Do you know better than them ?

Please take the pink glasses off.I love the game , but its current state is deplorable.Not admitting that is not healthy for the game.

[vax]

I don't think that it's a failure. I think if the game at start when to JP only and then one year later like FFXI to US and EU it will pretty different.

[ieatsocks]

Not a failure?

• Grindy
• Copy-pasted terrain
• Game lacked/lacks many normal features of many MMOs
• Monthly fee removed, because they know they would lose a lot of subscribers
• Entire development team fired
• Average metacritic review on this game is something horrible, average 49/100 on 28 major critics

Okay, write it again. Not a failure? This is a huge failure in today's market. You can try and say it's not a failure in a different perspective (post above eg.), because I honestly know people are having fun with this game, that doesn't mean it's not fail.

For the record I played a ton of FFXI, and I wasn't hoping for a FFXI 2.0, was hoping for something different. We just got crap instead.

[Zanfire]

Not a failure?

• Grindy
• Copy-pasted terrain
• Game lacked/lacks many normal features of many MMOs
• Monthly fee removed, because they know they would lose a lot of subscribers
• Entire development team fired
• Average metacritic review on this game is something horrible, average 49/100 on 28 major critics

Okay, write it again. Not a failure? This is a huge failure in today's market. You can try and say it's not a failure in a different perspective (post above eg.), because I honestly know people are having fun with this game, that doesn't mean it's not fail.

For the record I played a ton of FFXI, and I wasn't hoping for a FFXI 2.0, was hoping for something different. We just got crap instead.

pretty much nailed it. The game is considered a failure in the way of "will it end up making its money back?" is the better question. Its hugely dependent on the ps3 release and the #s it can keep after a solid year of people paying to play. If it ends up having 100k subs, the cost of development for 2 systems, constant updates and keeping the servers up, if the game does not last well over 5 years its likely to barely break even, which would mean its a failure.

right now the games a giant money pit and chances are it may never really take off, just too many huge mistakes right off the bat. Things have changed in the MMO market since FFXI, there are 10x as many games going, lots of big games coming and first impressions are HUGE. IMO the PS3 release and after a few months of charging will be the big clue as to if this game will be a true failure.

Right now though the games looking to be the shit stain on the #nd FF series (im not counting side games or the -2's)

[Antipika]

Question here is : what are people considering a failure?

A failure for me is when I do not succeed in achieving an objective/a goal.

In that very case, I am pretty certain that SE expected a better start for this title, therefore we can say that the launch of Final Fantasy XIV was a failure. Almost no income at all beside retail sales, how isn't that a failure?

It doesn't mean that the game is trash / should be terminated / will never become better in the future etc.

Launch : Failure
First 6 months : Failure

I am confident that the game will improve, but right now, the game isn't a success. (lack of success is the definition of failure)

[Zanfire]

^ i think what you said is what most people are thinking, the launch and its first 6 months have not been positive, especially on the financial side.

the real answer will come a short time after they release the ps3 version and start charging, the sub #s will pretty show if the game will be a financial success (and ratings by reviewers) while the rest is all opinion really.

[Verecund]

Yawn


http://www.strategyinformer.com/news...1-less-revenue

[whoopeeragon]

Yawn


http://www.strategyinformer.com/news...1-less-revenue

That article exaggerated...the quote, I can believe is true, but where did they pull the fact that FFXIII was dreadful? If anything, it ranks pretty high among the FF-series games among the various sites around the net. FFXIII was anything BUT a failure...

For now, all we can do is hope it does not degrade even further.

[Ostia]

That article exaggerated...the quote, I can believe is true, but where did they pull the fact that FFXIII was dreadful? If anything, it ranks pretty high among the FF-series games among the various sites around the net. FFXIII was anything BUT a failure...

For now, all we can do is hope it does not degrade even further.

It was a comercial success, but it was not on par with other FF, you either loved it or hated It!