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  1. #41
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    ReynTime's Avatar
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    Princess Walk
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    Cactuar
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    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SavishSalacious View Post
    These are facts. I wont deny that and I do have a tank. But I refuse to level him any further with the toxicity around "get gud". Let me learn and not be forced to do wall to wall because you are in a rush.
    Tanking outside hard fights is easy as hell. You just turn the tank stance on, rotate your defensive cooldowns and make sure you're geared properly. Other than that it's literally a DPS with tank on/off button.
    For most light-party bosses and even some of the trials tanks don't even have to deal with as many mechanics as DPS or Healer do. Just face boss away from group and turn stance off when you stack 3 debuffs for the swap...

    "Tanxiety" is flat out ridiculous and only evidence a lot of DPS don't play that well considering DPS have more reasons to be stressed than tanks do.
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    Last edited by ReynTime; 02-24-2021 at 08:58 PM.

  2. #42
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    Vyrerus's Avatar
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    Vicious Zvahl
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    Excalibur
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    We're in Shadowbringers now.
    The context of my story is within Stormblood's time period, but even in the current one, I wouldn't force a Ninja out to a ranged slot unless the comp was 3+ melee. Auto attack losses are nothing to sneeze at.
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    "I thought that my invincible power would hold the world captive, leaving me in a freedom undisturbed. Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge fires and cruel hard strokes. When at last the work was done and the links were complete and unbreakable, I found that it held me in its grip." - Rabindranath Tagore

  3. #43
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    The context of my story is within Stormblood's time period, but even in the current one, I wouldn't force a Ninja out to a ranged slot unless the comp was 3+ melee. Auto attack losses are nothing to sneeze at.
    Again, everyone should be in melee range anyway, except for the very specific mechanics that require a ranged position.
    Losing 2 auto attacks is inconsequential.
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  4. #44
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    Vyrerus's Avatar
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    Vicious Zvahl
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Again, everyone should be in melee range anyway, except for the very specific mechanics that require a ranged position.
    Losing 2 auto attacks is inconsequential.
    It depends on the fight, and it's usually ill-advised for casters to try being in melee range full time, because of melee-centric aoes. I don't know what point you think you're making, but I think you've lost the plot.
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    "I thought that my invincible power would hold the world captive, leaving me in a freedom undisturbed. Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge fires and cruel hard strokes. When at last the work was done and the links were complete and unbreakable, I found that it held me in its grip." - Rabindranath Tagore

  5. #45
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    It depends on the fight, and it's usually ill-advised for casters to try being in melee range full time, because of melee-centric aoes. I don't know what point you think you're making, but I think you've lost the plot.
    I'm arguing that NIN and RDM can fill in for their opposite role positions in the party make-up, making it more of a suggestion than a hard and fast rule.
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  6. #46
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quite simple:

    SE designed themselves into a corner, as always.

    They did so when they made Ninja a dex based melee job and still have DRG as a medium armor melee job.

    So now you have two jobs who don't share armor with anyone else, yet share accessories with other jobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    It depends on the fight, and it's usually ill-advised for casters to try being in melee range full time, because of melee-centric aoes. I don't know what point you think you're making, but I think you've lost the plot.
    Except they're right. When ranged spread out to the edge of the arena they become out of healers aoe healing ranges and boss aoe hits the entire arena.

    Which causes healers to have to spend GCD's they might not have healing onsies and twosies who decided that being far away out weight simply being a little closer so they'd get hit with the healer AOE.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 02-24-2021 at 09:45 PM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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