Roleplay/Partyfinder Discrepancies & Policy Enforcement by GM's

[Bright-Flower]

I can get them wanting to separate out RP stuff from regular content, but in that case they ought to just add a new tab for RP and then leave Other for whatever else.

[Infindox]

I feel like now is the time to set up a Discord server similar to Centurio Hunts or other servers. This would allow multiple venues to advertise outside of FF14 in one localized place. The more venues that join in on that server, the more visibility everyone would get.

It doesn't solve most of the issues presented where it feels like RP venues are being randomly and potentially unfairly targeted, but it would help create a place where the RP community could thrive and remain inside the boundaries of the TOS.

This is a decent idea, but it's also not an entirely fool-proof one, as some people just don't like using Discord past using vc for content. There are, at least on my DC, RP serverss up, but they sometimes cause drama because of what they allow and disallow. I know of a player who RPs who wasn't welcome at the main one because they wanted more adult themes (not all erp). This also makes it harder for people who only dabble in social activities like glamour contests and holiday parties to find them.

[Fyrefox45]

Imagine GMs doing something about harmless RP party finders, and yet my servers crafting bot farm is still untouched. Absolutely insane

[ForteNightshade]

Imagine GMs doing something about harmless RP party finders, and yet my servers crafting bot farm is still untouched. Absolutely insane

Cactuar's MB is a bot riddled mess and has been for years now. It's blatantly obvious who bots too, but the dastardly RP advertisements in PF. Those are where we're drawing the line. It's a complete joke.

[SylviaKarsten]

So I've read quite a few of these posts and skimmed over the others in the now 29 (27 at the time I started reading) pages of discourse, and I'm probably just going to echo a lot of the sentiments already posted here. But, they pertain to me since I'm a roleplayer and my voice is just as valid even if I'm just repeating what other people have said.

To the people that are treating roleplayers like diseased lepers, what's the matter with you? Why should we have to be segregated out of the party finder so it can stay clean and pure? I wasn't aware this was the year 1950 and not 2021, so why are us roleplayers having to be forced out of your gated community when there's an "Other" tab that should be able to be justifiably used by those of us who make venues, bars, taverns, night clubs, and things that fall into the "Other" category?

I may not support ERP, but not all RP is ERP and that's a distinction that you need to make instead of making such blanket generalizations about what our subset of the community is all about. And even if there *is* ERP in the game, it's their business what they do with their time. Everyone likes to throw around the phrase "You don't pay my sub" so casually, so it can be easily applied here. You don't pay their sub, so who cares if they want to indulge in erotic roleplay? How does it hurt you? How does it adversely affect your XIV experience? The answer: It doesn't. It's doing nothing to harm the community even if you think it's cringey or inappropriate. It's not violating any legal issues or anything regarding illegal transactions of real world money, the buying and selling of accounts, or anything that falls under the category of what we're reporting when we use the "Report RMT Activity" function on our chat bar.

Roleplayers have just as much a right to exist in this game as raiders do, as casual players do, as AFK idlers that stand in Aetheryte Plazas all day showing off their glams, emotes, etc.

If you're SO worried about us "polluting" your precious party finder, then suggest a VIABLE solution that isn't the janky and nonfunctioning Fellowship system, because that doesn't work. Don't just witch hunt us like we're somehow ruining the game for you, because we're not. You can leave your hateful bigotry at the door, because it has no place here.

[Nayout]

I may not support ERP, but not all RP is ERP and that's a distinction that you need to make instead of making such blanket generalizations about what our subset of the community is all about. And even if there *is* ERP in the game, it's their business what they do with their time. Everyone likes to throw around the phrase "You don't pay my sub" so casually, so it can be easily applied here. You don't pay their sub, so who cares if they want to indulge in erotic roleplay? How does it hurt you? How does it adversely affect your XIV experience? The answer: It doesn't. It's doing nothing to harm the community even if you think it's cringey or inappropriate. It's not violating any legal issues or anything regarding illegal transactions of real world money, the buying and selling of accounts, or anything that falls under the category of what we're reporting when we use the "Report RMT Activity" function on our chat bar.

People can do everything they want in the game as long as they don't break the ToS and the ERP unfortunately is something that breaks it, now you can do it privately with your friend or partner or have a place where several people get together and do it but ALWAYS it has to be done secretly and this is what has generated a problem. Many people who do ERP ignore that but promote it to people who do not care or in places that should not.

I also have to remember the live letter that Yoshida dedicated to the RP / ERP community?

[SylviaKarsten]

People can do everything they want in the game as long as they don't break the ToS and the ERP unfortunately is something that breaks it, now you can do it privately with your friend or partner or have a place where several people get together and do it but ALWAYS it has to be done secretly and this is what has generated a problem. Many people who do ERP ignore that but promote it to people who do not care or in places that should not.

I also have to remember the live letter that Yoshida dedicated to the RP / ERP community?

I wasn't playing at the time, I'd imagine. I can't say I ever saw that.

I'm not trying to defend the ERP community as being so much permissible in regards to the ToS, because if it breaks the ToS then it breaks the ToS; that's what GMs should be enforcing but it's the people that are calling for the heads of every RPer with their torches and pitchforks, basically. Just whipping up people into a mob mentality to attack us all like we're all somehow part of the "problem."

I'm just saying that ERP isn't hurting other players the way they're making it sound. Someone is getting upset because they scroll to the bottom of party finder and see an ERP venue, and are morally outraged by it. If they want to report it because it violates ToS, fine! That's well within their rights to do so, but you cannot lump every RPer into the same category as those who violate ToS by indulging in ERP.

[Ferret_Mom]

I can't understand this decision in any meaning. RPers are literally the ones, who will stay In your game till the very end. Lack of content? They don't care and don't complain, cuz they're creating their own content. Lack of Ultimates\Savages\Extremes, which about all try-harders always complain? They don't care! The drought between patches? You guessed it - RPers don't care! So it's truly a genius move - let's ban all people, who will pay subs for our game in any condition, making them mad, so they'll cancel their subs, and then...and what then? You'll have a player base, full of crying about 'lack of content' manbabies, who'll drop your game as soon, as they close another Savage. And, ofc, classics - tons of RMT advertising in PF - nobody cares. Someone inviting people to their bar in Kugane - start the fire!

It's especially funny and sad since the game is advertising this way:

[Kaelynath]

They've come for our catboi cafes, lads.

These are dark times indeed.

[AmpersandHyphen]

"Party finder".

It's like joining a dating app for the purpose of business opportunities.

I have no issue with peeps using PF other section for the purpose of RP and venues, but I find the arguments proposed kind of funny when the very purpose of party finder is stated in the name.