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  1. #511
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    Gardthorne's Avatar
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    Vanas Genei
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    OK tell you what. Put on a red shirt, call it brown. And go see what the bulls think. Logical. Disconnect.

    You cant wear what you are not wearing.
    Real shirts don't have stats. IRL metal thongs and felt aren't optimal. Just sayin.
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  2. #512
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reika View Post
    Unless its in a video game.
    Video games still follow logical rules in order to be grounded (literally. . as well).

    Some people dont care about grounding - but I do.
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  3. #513
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    Shougun's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardthorne View Post
    Real shirts don't have stats. IRL metal thongs and felt aren't optimal. Just sayin.
    Real shirts have stats. I prefer cotton over wool it makes me itch, there is a stat for you. Some burn easier then others, you will want that stat if you were to run into a fire.

    Metal thongs are silly - metal vest maybe not so much aganist swords. Metal plated or hard leather subligar is not, protects the good stuff (if you are trying to refer to that).
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  4. #514
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    xXHalloweenTrixXx's Avatar
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    Fei Fenris
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    OK tell you what. Put on a red shirt, call it brown. And go see what the bulls think. Logical. Disconnect.

    You cant wear what you are not wearing.
    Actually no... what I would do is change my red shirt to look brown, and thus it would now look like a brown shirt. But you know what? It doesn't change the brand of the shirt.

    And in this example the brand would be its stats lol.
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  5. #515
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    Quote Originally Posted by xXHalloweenTrixXx View Post
    Actually no... what I would do is change my red shirt to look brown, and thus it would now look like a brown shirt. But you know what? It doesn't change the brand of the shirt.

    And in this example the brand would be its stats lol.
    But the shirt isnt red anymore. So if a red shirt does something like agro +1 , you shouldnt get that with a brown shirt.

    So actually no, you are wrong.
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  6. #516
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    Reika Shadowheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Video games still follow logical rules in order to be grounded (literally. . as well).

    Some people dont care about grounding - but I do.
    You've never played an RPG where the cast of characters always wear the same thing no matter what they have equipped? That was their look, it stayed no matter what you put on, so you could feel free to equip the strongest of items without uglifing the characters.
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  7. #517
    Quote Originally Posted by xXHalloweenTrixXx View Post
    Vanity system = yes please. Toggle = No. If I create my character to be seen wearing X, I want my character to be seen wearing X. Don't like it, simply don't invite me to your parties
    So in other words, people toggling off your appearance doesn't affect your gameplay at all.
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  8. #518
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reika View Post
    You've never played an RPG where the cast of characters always wear the same thing no matter what they have equipped? That was their look, it stayed no matter what you put on, so you could feel free to equip the strongest of items without uglifing the characters.
    Lack of finance and ability. Games that do that now either do it as a tip of the hat to the classics or dont have enough funds.

    "equipping uber plate mail of heaviness" and still wearing a cloth shirt is stupid. But exceptions were made because it was unreasonable to expect a fresh model for every character.
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  9. #519
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    But the shirt isnt red anymore. So if a red shirt does something like agro +1 , you shouldnt get that with a brown shirt.

    So actually no, you are wrong.
    Doesn't matter if the shirt isn't red anymore, I changed its color to a brown shirt as that's what I feel comfortable in wearing and its appealing to me, and this is the color I want people to associate me with as thats the color I like. Why must I wear the color red if I do not like the color?

    Also for someone who believes aesthetics matter, stats of the gear shouldn't matter to begin with.
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  10. #520
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    Quote Originally Posted by xXHalloweenTrixXx View Post
    Doesn't matter if the shirt isn't red anymore, I changed its color to a brown shirt as that's what I feel comfortable in wearing and its appealing to me. Why should I suffer in wearing red if I do not like the color red?

    Also for someone who believes aesthetics matter, stats of the gear shouldn't matter to begin with.
    No a brown shirt is different then a red shirt. It is phsyically different. When you dye a shirt you are physicall manipulating the properties of the shirt. It will never EVER be the same shirt again. Even if you dye it back. But that is really technical speaking.

    Perhaps we should be more like what the vanity says. You equip a white shirt but you like red leather more. So you use red leather model. But you have a white shirt on. ... White cloth shirt IS NOT in anyway a leather quality.

    Its like saying I got a water armor on but my model is fire armor. Lol Wtf?

    Aesthetics matter - if it looks heavy and sturdy - it should probably have great defense.

    In general this is followed - though there is a level aspect to the items as well "high level cloth has way more defense then a low level chain mail". Level to level the logic is maintained at least.
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