[Suggestion] Fashion/Vanity Slots.

[Elexia]

The idea of the vanity system is to allow people to wear what they want and display it to other people without having to sacrifice stats. Giving a toggle option for someone else's vanity display is negating the basic idea of the system..

So in other words, it's ok to to have options but it's not ok to give other people options if it "conflicts"? The idea of the vanity system to wear what they want without stat penality because shit why not, so it shouldn't matter if someone doesn't want to see their vanity gear and should have the option to deal with it.

[Zantetsuken]

The idea of the vanity system is to allow people to wear what they want and display it to other people without having to sacrifice stats. Giving a toggle option for someone else's vanity display is negating the basic idea of the system.

So the basic idea is to disguise what you are really wearing from other players?

I'm glad people are starting to be honest about it....


Still,

Unless you are ashamed of your real gear, you should have no opposition to a toggle.

[Jinrya-Geki]

Just saying, don't act confused when you see me walk up to you. You have the vanity option off and see me screaming I am a Red Wizard, wearing a blue robe.

[Shougun]

Just saying, don't act confused when you see me walk up to you. You have the vanity option off and see me screaming I am a Red Wizard, wearing a blue robe.

Wouldnt be confused, just think you are crazy . There is no red wizard.

[Teuciont]

Just saying, don't act confused when you see me walk up to you. You have the vanity option off and see me screaming I am a Red Wizard, wearing a blue robe.

I think I would blacklist someone coming up and shouting about themselves in the first place.

[Reika]

I'm just gonna drop my final thoughts on how the vanity slots should work here. People who agree can like it, and people who don't can go typing away.

I know I agreed with the toggle option earlier, but if the system is implemented well the toggle option is better off not being there... since it really does directly oppose the existence of the vanity slots: to separate how your character looks from how well he/she is geared.

As for how the vanity slots should work without a toggle option:

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2. They should be limited by the same class/job/level requirements as the primary slots
3. Seasonal event items (reindeer, dream, etc.) cannot be equipped on vanity slots.

Considering the lenient requirements for class/job on most crafted gear, and the existence of recommended level gear, which work perfectly fine as vanity, this won't be very limiting at all but at the same time not completely destroy the feeling of the game.

These aren't even important to people who are for toggle. They just don't want to have to gear check people, like they aren't going to do it anyways if they did add a toggle. They will want to know if they have the 'right materia' attacthed to their pieces, so they will check them. It wouldn't matter in content matching either, because that will go by Ilvl. Vanity slots will natrually not add to your Ilvl, and if someone wound up in your content ma party wearing a subliger and a halfrobe, it wouldn't matter because they obviously have the Ilvl to enter that dungeon through content matching.

Some people just dont want to look like every other damn person playing the class/job they play, which is currently what happens when you get end-game gear now, with some color varitions with crafted items. Its the 'cobalt or darklight' look for tanks, its the same blm melded pieces for blm or militia gear, etc etc.

[Shougun]

These aren't even important to people who are for toggle. They just don't want to have to gear check people, like they aren't going to do it anyways if they did add a toggle. They will want to know if they have the 'right materia' attacthed to their pieces, so they will check them. It wouldn't matter in content matching either, because that will go by Ilvl. Vanity slots will natrually not add to your Ilvl, and if someone wound up in your content ma party wearing a subliger and a halfrobe, it wouldn't matter because they obviously have the Ilvl to enter that dungeon through content matching.

Some people just dont want to look like every other damn person playing the class/job they play, which is currently what happens when you get end-game gear now, with some color varitions with crafted items. Its the 'cobalt or darklight' look for tanks, its the same blm melded pieces for blm or militia gear, etc etc.

Vanity would make assuming materia MUCh harder - right now I see a BLM wearing felt gaskins I'm pretty damn sure he has that baby melded. Otherwise he wouldn't wear it, he would be wearing his AF.

Vanity destroys item expectations. Now I really do have to check you just to see your real gear. Even your vanity gear may be stronger then your equipped gear. I have to study your character now instead of simply glancing.

Its illogical even under a fantasy aspect. "I want to wear the gear I am not wearing". What? No.



If the system is free, people will run around in the silly costumes meant for town fun and use them for combat. If you can kill a boss with seasonal gear right now you are bad freaking ass. With vanity it will happen all the time - be meaningless, and be retarded (from incredible frequency and constant "funny" someone trying to tell a bad joke over and over).

[Elexia]

These aren't even important to people who are for toggle. They just don't want to have to gear check people, like they aren't going to do it anyways if they did add a toggle..

Interesting, wasn't aware this was my thought process.

if someone wound up in your content ma party wearing a subliger and a halfrobe, it wouldn't matter because they obviously have the Ilvl to enter that dungeon through content matching.

You assume the system will work exactly like that. SE may have a completely different take on it.

Some people just dont want to look like every other damn person playing the class/job they play

That's fine, however with a toggle I can choose to see your vanity gear or not and it shouldn't bother you.

[Zantetsuken]

Some people just dont want to look like every other damn person playing the class/job they play, which is currently what happens when you get end-game gear now, with some color varitions with crafted items. Its the 'cobalt or darklight' look for tanks, its the same blm melded pieces for blm or militia gear, etc etc.

^^^ well, more gear variety will help with that.

With limited gear and vanity system, people will just flock to the most stylish gear for their vanity slots and you have the exact same problem.

Vanity would make assuming materia MUCh harder - right now I see a BLM wearing felt gaskins I'm pretty damn sure he has that baby melded. Otherwise he wouldn't wear it, he would be wearing his AF.

Vanity destroys item expectations. Now I really do have to check you just to see your real gear. Even your vanity gear may be stronger then your equipped gear. I have to study your character now instead of simply glancing.

Its illogical even under a fantasy aspect. "I want to wear the gear I am not wearing". What? No.

If the system is free, people will run around in the silly costumes meant for town fun and use them for combat. If you can kill a boss with seasonal gear right now you are bad freaking ass. With vanity it will happen all the time - be meaningless, and be retarded (from incredible frequency and constant "funny" someone trying to tell a bad joke over and over).

Excellent post~

A vanity slot system destroys the novelty associated with lesser-used gear.

Without a toggle, it renders the visuals of all gear meaningless beyond mere aesthetic.

[Reika]

Vanity would make assuming materia MUCh harder - right now I see a BLM wearing felt gaskins I'm pretty damn sure he has that baby melded. Otherwise he wouldnt wear it, he would be wearing his AF.

Vanity destroys item expectations. Now I really do have to check you just to see your real gear.

Its illigoical even under a fantasy aspect. "I want to wear the gear I am not wearing". What? No.

If the system is free, people will run around in the silly costumes meant for town fun and use them for combat. If you can kill a boss with seasonal gear right now you are bad freaking ass. With vanity it will happen all the time - be meaningless, and be retarded.

So you will assume they have double melded felt gaskins because they are wearing felt gaskins, but will not assume they ware wearing felt gaskins when a robe is completely covering their pants?