[Suggestion] Fashion/Vanity Slots.

[Orophin]

This thread has accomplished one thing for me: I used to look forward to a sort of vanity system, but now I'm beginning to shudder at the thought.

Ironically, it's the arguments of the people for a full vanity experience that have led to this.

I could honestly care less about the whole thing, I don't play dress up with my character. I'm just debating the point for the sake of it. :P

[Velhart]

Its mostly for the sake of role playing. Some like to create a character and story behind their avatar, instead of just looking at it simply as an avatar. Simply the outfit itself really helps them get into the character. My reason mostly is because I don't like to wear yellow rubber kitchen gloves over Dark Knight body armor. I overall like to show off in the latest and best gear, but sometimes there is simple dungeon loot that looks funny on me and like to alter it so it won't be an eyesore to "me".

I think the biggest complaint of the system so far is that people take advantage of it for certain situations like PvP or wearing something ridiculous for comedic purposes.

While to me, I truly think that people who don't like it should just deal with it, at the same time, its no harm on my end if they want some toggle switch. Like it shouldn't hinder their experience, it shouldn't hinder my experience if they see me in yellow rubber kitchen gloves. Of course the heavy role player would say otherwise, but its so hard to make everyone happy nowadays, right?

[Kallera]

This thread has accomplished one thing for me: I used to look forward to a sort of vanity system, but now I'm beginning to shudder at the thought.

Ironically, it's the arguments of the people for a full vanity experience that have led to this.

what are the arguments against? People wear silly things. Well people will continue to wear silly things regardless of the system in place. Fafnir will still be fought against with the resident Santa outfit and screenshots will be had. I might not do it, but I will fight to the death the right for someone else to. Who's to say that our own gear might not be appropriate for whatever thing we are trying, except for the members of our own party?

[Shougun]

what are the arguments against? People wear silly things. Well people will continue to wear silly things regardless of the system in place. Fafnir will still be fought against with the resident Santa outfit and screenshots will be had. I might not do it, but I will fight to the death the right for someone else to. Who's to say that our own gear might not be appropriate for whatever thing we are trying, except for the members of our own party?

So help get a toggle button in. You'd have less to fight about.

[Valmonte]

So help get a toggle button in. You'd have less to fight about.

Its a me me me me me person they don't give a shit about what anyone else wants as long as there happy everyone else can piss off. its best to just sigh at the amount of selfishness and move on.

[Zantetsuken]

what are the arguments against? People wear silly things. Well people will continue to wear silly things regardless of the system in place. Fafnir will still be fought against with the resident Santa outfit and screenshots will be had. I might not do it, but I will fight to the death the right for someone else to. Who's to say that our own gear might not be appropriate for whatever thing we are trying, except for the members of our own party?

The funny thing is, a vanity system also takes the prestige out of people beating difficult content with event/gimmick gear.

A party that worked hard beating Moogle battle decked out in Reindeer gear - a novel achievement -- becomes entirely meaningless with a vanity system.

[Valmonte]

you know, this wouldn't be a problem if they didn't force "Required" gear down our throats months back which was done to make jobs and classes stand out more. the same thing should apply here i don't want to see a mage in heavy darklight gear, there needs to be restrictions.

[NoctisUmbra]

I'm just gonna drop my final thoughts on how the vanity slots should work here. People who agree can like it, and people who don't can go typing away.

I know I agreed with the toggle option earlier, but if the system is implemented well the toggle option is better off not being there... since it really does directly oppose the existence of the vanity slots: to separate how your character looks from how well he/she is geared.

As for how the vanity slots should work without a toggle option:

1. They should be limited by the same class/job/level requirements as the primary slots
2. Seasonal event items (reindeer, dream, etc.) cannot be equipped on vanity slots.

Considering the lenient requirements for class/job on most crafted gear, and the existence of recommended level gear, which work perfectly fine as vanity, this won't be very limiting at all but at the same time not completely destroy the feeling of the game.

[Reika]

I'm just gonna drop my final thoughts on how the vanity slots should work here. People who agree can like it, and people who don't can go typing away.

I know I agreed with the toggle option earlier, but if the system is implemented well the toggle option is better off not being there... since it really does directly oppose the existence of the vanity slots: to separate how your character looks from how well he/she is geared.

As for how the vanity slots should work without a toggle option:

1. 
   
2. They should be limited by the same class/job/level requirements as the primary slots
3. Seasonal event items (reindeer, dream, etc.) cannot be equipped on vanity slots.

Considering the lenient requirements for class/job on most crafted gear, and the existence of recommended level gear, which work perfectly fine as vanity, this won't be very limiting at all but at the same time not completely destroy the feeling of the game.

These aren't even important to people who are for toggle. They just don't want to have to gear check people, like they aren't going to do it anyways if they did add a toggle. They will want to know if they have the 'right materia' attacthed to their pieces, so they will check them. It wouldn't matter in content matching either, because that will go by Ilvl. Vanity slots will natrually not add to your Ilvl, and if someone wound up in your content ma party wearing a subliger and a halfrobe, it wouldn't matter because they obviously have the Ilvl to enter that dungeon through content matching.

Some people just dont want to look like every other damn person playing the class/job they play, which is currently what happens when you get end-game gear now, with some color varitions with crafted items. Its the 'cobalt or darklight' look for tanks, its the same blm melded pieces for blm or militia gear, etc etc.

[Shougun]

These aren't even important to people who are for toggle. They just don't want to have to gear check people, like they aren't going to do it anyways if they did add a toggle. They will want to know if they have the 'right materia' attacthed to their pieces, so they will check them. It wouldn't matter in content matching either, because that will go by Ilvl. Vanity slots will natrually not add to your Ilvl, and if someone wound up in your content ma party wearing a subliger and a halfrobe, it wouldn't matter because they obviously have the Ilvl to enter that dungeon through content matching.

Some people just dont want to look like every other damn person playing the class/job they play, which is currently what happens when you get end-game gear now, with some color varitions with crafted items. Its the 'cobalt or darklight' look for tanks, its the same blm melded pieces for blm or militia gear, etc etc.

Vanity would make assuming materia MUCh harder - right now I see a BLM wearing felt gaskins I'm pretty damn sure he has that baby melded. Otherwise he wouldn't wear it, he would be wearing his AF.

Vanity destroys item expectations. Now I really do have to check you just to see your real gear. Even your vanity gear may be stronger then your equipped gear. I have to study your character now instead of simply glancing.

Its illogical even under a fantasy aspect. "I want to wear the gear I am not wearing". What? No.



If the system is free, people will run around in the silly costumes meant for town fun and use them for combat. If you can kill a boss with seasonal gear right now you are bad freaking ass. With vanity it will happen all the time - be meaningless, and be retarded (from incredible frequency and constant "funny" someone trying to tell a bad joke over and over).