Mordion Gaol is a bad system

[Lihtleita]

Literally ANYTHING can be taken as offensive these days. Cancel culture is incredibly rampant, and being vague doesn't help.

cancel culture is when you break video game tos

[Shibi]

My mother for instance constantly insists that "hell" is a swear word, even though it's mild.

Just talk as you would to your grandmother... with your mother standing by ready to clip your ears if you use anything stronger than "heck".

And never disparage another group of people.

Do those, and you won't go wrong.

[Penthea]

I shouldn't have had to wait for five hours to get released, with no indication that the Gaol is where I am I at. Googling about the place gave me more information than Square Enix did. There was no prompt that I had been jailed, no explanation as to why, and no indication that a GM would come help me.
I am disappointed. My experience felt incredibly unethical.

I agree that being sent there with no information about anything is not good. It wouldn't be difficult for SE to create an automated system message that informs you of the name of the location and its purpose. Or a pop-up to make it abundantly clear.

Would a cop be allowed to arrest you and not tell you why you're being arrested? Of course not, so why isn't Square Enix transparent about WHY? How can I improve my behavior and learn about what I did wrong, and how to avoid strikes against my account, if I never even have clear answers?

Some have said that SE are intentionally vague so that you can't hunt down the player who probably reported you. While I understand the merits of this, I think it's more important that it's clear what the offence was so that the player knows exactly what sort of behaviour they must avoid.

Language barriers are a thing. So many times I encountered people, online and offline, who didn't realise that what they had said in english was offensive. It would really suck if you got reported for unintentional misuse of your second language and you don't have much hope of figuring out on your own where you went wrong. We don't have dedicated language servers so this sort of friction is far more likely to happen than in some other games that have specific language servers.

Cultural differences can also cause issues. What may be a mild offense at most to you could be an enormous insult for someone else. Again without specific language servers the chances of encountering a culture clash is higher than in games with specific language servers.

I know many say "but most people can figure out when they crossed the line so they don't need to be told" but if that's the case then what's the point in keeping the details vague if players can already figure out on their own who reported them?

I don't really care what OP did or said, because that's not the point. The point is that it's not always clear to the offender that what they did was wrong, and it's hard to correct your behaviour if you have to guess.

[EtherRose]

You're missing the point. I don't know why at all. That description is entirely subjective when we live in a world with so many different viewpoints on what constitutes being offensive.

My mother for instance constantly insists that "hell" is a swear word, even though it's mild. She's also very religious.

So again considering different sensitivity levels, how am I supposed to know if they don't specify. Literally ANYTHING can be taken as offensive these days. Cancel culture is incredibly rampant, and being vague doesn't help. I do not know what I did to get me in trouble. I have absolutely no idea, so I ask that you please stop acting like I do know.

It's simple really. Don't say anything you "Think" would be offensive. Don't even crack jokes or anything unless you know them. People these days are a little snow-flakish.

On a side note - If you have to explain the different viewpoints on what's offensive and not depending on the person in your reply, then you do "Know" or have a clear clue on what you said or did that constitutes it being "Offensive" but you keep beating around the bush or you are just very dull.

The only way to truly look into this of course would be screen shots. Which most likely you don't have.

[Doozer]

Cancel culture is incredibly rampant

No offence mate but I now have no doubt you said something offensive to get there. People only complain about "cancel culture" when they know the stuff they do would get them in trouble. I don't fear cancel culture because I understand how to behave around other people. It's not unlike men claiming they can't even talk to women lest they get "#MeToo'd", which really just says they don't understand how to treat women with respect.

However, I highly recommend you read the page for Prohibited Behaviour in Final Fantasy XIV. I understand that some parts may be vague, but it's to allow them to use their discretion when applying disciplinary actions. If you're not sure if something is safe to say, don't say it. What's that one line from Bambi? "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"?

[LittleImp]

No offence mate but I now have no doubt you said something offensive to get there. People only complain about "cancel culture" when they know the stuff they do would get them in trouble. I don't fear cancel culture because I understand how to behave around other people. It's not unlike men claiming they can't even talk to women lest they get "#MeToo'd", which really just says they don't understand how to treat women with respect.

I have to disagree completely with this.

My SO is active in the art community for this game, and has been the target of absolutely RELENTLESS 'cancel' attempts and harassment, even though she's one of the sweetest, most harmless people (specifically when compared to me haha). They harass her because, even though she's never interacted with any of these people and keeps to herself, they don't like the specific artstyle she uses to depict a certain character.

Canceling is more often than not unhealthy, righteous bullying. Most people who participate in it aren't even the supposedly aggrieved parties; It's just a bunch of sociopaths moving from one bullying target to the next because they just enjoy hurting other people.


And the mordion gaol system is garbage. There are frequent posts of people that have been imprisoned for 3-5 hours who were later told they were put there entirely by mistake.

[Doozer]

My SO is active in the art community for this game, and has been the target of absolutely RELENTLESS 'cancel' attempts and harassment, even though she's one of the sweetest, most harmless people (specifically when compared to me haha). They harass her because, even though she's never interacted with any of these people and keeps to herself, they don't like the specific artstyle she uses to depict a certain character.

Oh boy, I can smell this one a mile away. What, does she draw them with lighter skin tones? Change their features to look more Eurocentric? Convenient of you to leave out details of her "artsyle", so all the rest of us can do is assume. If you want to show her as the victim, be specific, or I call bull. People who are the "victims" of cancel culture always neglect to mention important details that any normal person would have a problem with.

It's just a bunch of sociopaths

And save the armchair diagnoses, doc.

[Mahoukenshi]

Oh boy, I can smell this one a mile away. What, does she draw them with lighter skin tones? Change their features to look more Eurocentric? Convenient of you to leave out details of her "artsyle", so all the rest of us can do is assume. If you want to show her as the victim, be specific, or I call bull. People who are the "victims" of cancel culture always neglect to mention important details that any normal person would have a problem with.



And save the armchair diagnoses, doc.

Save your whiteknighting for you echo chamber.

[LittleImp]

Oh boy, I can smell this one a mile away. What, does she draw them with lighter skin tones? Change their features to look more Eurocentric? Convenient of you to leave out details of her "artsyle", so all the rest of us can do is assume. If you want to show her as the victim, be specific, or I call bull. People who are the "victims" of cancel culture always neglect to mention important details that any normal person would have a problem with.

Look at how disproportionately aggressive you are behaving over the idea of a counter-example to your point existing. Nothing in my original post warranted the kind of angry, unhinged response you've just given. You're coming off exactly like the kind of bullies you're trying to protect, so I guess your agenda is laid pretty bare.

Cancel culture doesn't have anything special about it that makes it immune from the same criticisms of mob behavior throughout history. There have been justified angry mobs, but there have been just as many unjustified angry mobs acting under false pretenses. Blanketly defending cancel culture and attacking its detractors is ignorant and dangerous. Maybe your mind will change when it turns against you and starts hurting the people that you love.

Anyway, the reason I can't explain specifics is because she's actually pretty well known, and I don't want her getting even more negative attention from perpetually angry strangers like yourself.

[Doozer]

Save your whiteknighting for you echo chamber.

I too understand buzzwords.

Anyway, the reason I can't explain specifics is because she's actually pretty well known, and I don't want her getting even more negative attention from perpetually angry strangers like yourself.

Yeah, I figured. Can't provide any more proof. I can guess what her "artstyle" is.