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    Deceptus Keelon
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    I really like an idea I read elsewhere:

    Make Eos/Selene/Seraph akin to SMN summons.

    Have an Eos Phase where she focuses heals (waxing) / a selene phase (waning) that focuses on party buffs / and then Seraph (like bahamut) that is super strong on a short timer.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    I really like an idea I read elsewhere:

    Make Eos/Selene/Seraph akin to SMN summons.

    Have an Eos Phase where she focuses heals (waxing) / a selene phase (waning) that focuses on party buffs / and then Seraph (like bahamut) that is super strong on a short timer.
    Yes, that's what I thought. But the problem with "healing" rotations is healing is in it's nature, situational- So it's not something that can be turned into a perpetually turning wheel, unless you'd use away abilities when you don't need them and lose the opportunity to do so when they are. The potential to sabotage yourself is much greater than in a DPS rotation.

    That being said, there are other solutions, like turning both fairies into different types of support: One debuffer that weakens damage dealt from enemies, one buffer that increases healing done: In this example both contribute to the SCH's sustain of the party. Two sides of the same coin.

    Another more clear example is: Buffing the partie's damage done, or increase the enemy's damage taken. It's essentially the same thing.
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  3. #23
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    Elliot Cloverfield
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    Another more clear example is: Buffing the party's damage done, or increase the enemy's damage taken. It's essentially the same thing.
    So, if I'm understanding, you're suggesting a buff/debuff rotation? That could be interesting and give some depth to SCH that it's severely lacking.
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    Iedarus Meridus
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    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    So, if I'm understanding, you're suggesting a buff/debuff rotation? That could be interesting and give some depth to SCH that it's severely lacking.
    I remember someone suggesting a scanning minigame to replace the Aetherflow mechanic. There could be two modes of it for AoE (Field Stratagem) and single target (Focus Stratagem) and the Scholar would have to run towards different points (If Sage gets a gap closer why not give Scholar positionals? Lol) of an enemy or group of enemies and scan those parts. Brings back Scholar's identity without adding any DPS.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    So, if I'm understanding, you're suggesting a buff/debuff rotation? That could be interesting and give some depth to SCH that it's severely lacking.
    AST card system with Astrodyne is a good example of the type of rotation that can fit into a healer: You always want to use cards, so you keep play on CD. Each card gives you a seal which you can use for your "burst" , that being Astrodyne. With Draw being a 2 charge ability, there is some space to delay for a fitting moment before you start lagging behind. Astrodyne isn't a "healing" ability, rather something that can be used to improve all of AST's abilities that being healing or damage, so it's less situational. Of course you'd still want to align the use of Astrodyne with Burst windows to get the most of it, but outside of those it still a useful ability.

    A rotation system for SCH could use these same principles: It improves SCH's casting either making your spells stronger (Offensively or Healing wise), maximizing their influence on their respective targets (Damage taken or Healing recieved.) or increasing the speed of application.

    The problem of course is that you could not lock healing abilities or spells behind fairies. If the fairies are to become a rotational system, you can't have healing abilities tied to them. Fey Union, Fey Blessing, Whispering Dawn. They would have to be changed.
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    Last edited by GrimGale; 11-02-2021 at 03:36 AM.

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    I could see Eos and Selene getting the BLM treatment for a SCH rework. Eos could be our "Astral Fire" increasing the potency and cost of our healing spells by a fixed percentage. Maybe somewhere between 10% and 30%. Selene could be the "Umbral Ice" allowing us to use healing spells at their normal potency and cost but with the added benefit of extra MP regen tied to her being present. They would both have the same potency on Embrace, Whispering Dawn, and Fey Blessing in my vision and summoning them would be an oGCD ideally. This would mean we never give up our healing tools and dying would be less impactful since Selene could help us get back on our feet faster. We could remove or reduce the MP restore from Aetherflow and Energy Drain to make switching fairies a key part of our play style. To be clear, the healing potency gain would only apply to Adloquium, Succor, and Physick: the actual spells Scholar has at their disposal. So for players who rely on these heavily they would be stronger with Eos and more spammable with Selene. For players who avoid them heavily they could get more impact out of the occasional shield with Eos and have no worries about their MP economy while using Selene. It would be a nice change in my opinion to use them both regularly as more than a glamour option but as a tactical decision. Selene could help us spam Art of War without going OOM and that would be glorious.
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