Making Eos and Selene Different Again

[ItMe]

What differences do you want to see between Eos and Selene?

I'm in the minority here, but I don't need them to be different.
They've shown they can't give SCH multiple fairies the way SMN has multiple egi without one just being better (akin to the way there's such imbalance between AST's Noctournal and Diurnal sects).

I don't want them to return to that.
I'd rather they continue designing one fairy and building SCH's kit with it in mind.

[SwordswornFox]

I think they'll give Selene a shield kit rather than her utility kit if they tweak her any more. slides sch more fully into shield healing and gets away from the haste buff messing with timings on everything.

[MellowMink]

I'm surprised that Square Enix still has decided to not have any differences aside from appearance, even though said appearance could be further simplified by having glamour options rather than additional buttons. At this point, I'll take almost anything for the sake of variety, even if it's just stat boost changes between the two.

[GrimGale]

Looking at the changes in AST and SMN I figured the Fairies could follow some sort of Rotational pattern. After all Selene and Eos are named after Dusk and Dawn.

Why not have them be temporal summons with charges, just like EW Summoner. You cycle through them like you cycle through the Elemental Summons. Once you've completed a Cycle you can unlock a powerful self buff just like AST 's Astrodyne?

Ofc you'd have to adapt what their abilities do. It's easy to make a DPS/Buff rotation after all, damage and buffs to damage are always useful while healing is situational.

You can even tie them to the Black and White Grimmoires reminiscent of FFXI's Scholar.

30s of Dawn, 30s of Dusk, on a 60s rotation. You can use Biolysis re-apply to keep track of the fairies, just like AST uses the Combust timer to weave in their cards.

[QooEr]

i think fey wind could retain its haste effect if it was single target and a bit stronger to compensate. worst case you use it on yourself, best case you give it to a black mage.

[Payadopa]

Why not have them be temporal summons with charges, just like EW Summoner. You cycle through them like you cycle through the Elemental Summons. Once you've completed a Cycle you can unlock a powerful self buff just like AST.

Oh wow. That sounds actually amazing. I'd love to see that.

[Grimoire-M]

Unless SE’s willing to fix the lore and/or mechanics to make Eos and Selene work as distinct entities within either a healing only constraint or non-healing non-DPS utility constraint I do not feel compelled to force them into distinct roles at all. Eos became good because people realized she was more of a DPS increase than Selene straight up. Seraph also adds a major complication to the mix. My opinion is that they should figure out if they want to do a full on rework in the first place then comb the appropriate feedback out of us in the devtracker.

[Payadopa]

I'm in the minority here, but I don't need them to be different.
They've shown they can't give SCH multiple fairies the way SMN has multiple egi without one just being better (akin to the way there's such imbalance between AST's Noctournal and Diurnal sects).

I don't want them to return to that.
I'd rather they continue designing one fairy and building SCH's kit with it in mind.

And because of that mindset we can't have nice things. There will always be someone with a fancy chart saying 'Actually...'
I really don't mind imbalance in job design. I really don't. Especially after 5.0 .
I also enjoy(ed) noct AST. /shrug

What I think is missing in this whole discussion is the fact that people like different things for different reasons. Yet for some reason people keep insisting that there is one and only one way.

It's not like I don't get where you're coming from, though. SE's healer record especially isn't exactly stellar.

[Silver-Strider]

Since I doubt Eos and Selene will get the Diurnal/Nocturnal treatment in terms of regen vs shields, we'd probably have to look for alternative options. I also doubt they'll give Selene DPS options since that would make Selene the preferable choice outside of healer intensive moments.

With this in mind.

Fey Illumination on Selene would increase Healing Magic Potency by 10% and cause Disease on all nearby enemies, reducing the damage they do by 5%.

Whispering Dawn would increase everyone's HP like an AoE Protraction and offer 5% Mitigation.

Seraph would a combination of the 2 and have all their effects with her abilities.

Best I could probably come up with given the limitations I set but hey, they're different enough to be good either way.

[ToodlesElNoodles]

An idea I’ve been mulling over is taking the toggle-ability of Eukrasia/6.0 SMN and have it be a fairy thing.

So, the main change I was thinking of:

1) One fairy - Lily. If no fairy is summoned, pressing Summon Eos/Selene/Seraph automatically (and instantly) summons Lily.

2) Summon will place a buff on the SCH that modifies the next fairy ability they use. Summon Seraph is a 2 min cooldown. It places a buff on the fairy that adds a shield component (Neutral Sect does this) to her Embrace (and Fey Union, noted below). Prob rename abilities.

If no fairy is summoned, the SCH will instantly summon Lily and gain the appropriate buff at the same time.

3) Fairy gauge is generated when the fairy casts a regular heal.

4) Aetherpact and Fey Union are actually two abilities now. I’ll explain Aetherpact later.

5) Embrace and Fey Union are both 3 sec ticks, have same potency, generate same gauge. One auto-targets, other is tether.

6) There are only two fairy abilities now: Fey Whisper and Fey Blessing. Effects depend on fairy toggle/buff active when pressed.

Fey Whisper (Eos) - Healing potency buff and regen.
Fey Whisper (Selene) - Healing potency buff and damage reduction.
Fey Whisper (Seraph) - Healing potency buff, stronger regen, and damage reduction. Overwrites any active Fey Whisper (Eos/Selene)

No cooldown, just fairy gauge cost.

Fey Blessing (Eos) - Heals nearby allies.
Fey Blessing (Selene) - Shields nearby allies.
Fey Blessing (Seraph) - Heals and shields nearby allies.

No cooldown, limited by fairy gauge.

Summon Seraph also gives a 2 charge buff. Reduces fairy gauge cost of your next two fairy abilities to 0. Essentially, lets you do the whole 2x Consolation.

I considered Dissipation being a fairy DPS ability. Dunno, still thinking how this could work. If anything, when Lily disappears, it doesn’t unsummon her, she just has a “15 sec long animation” of not being there and not being controllable.

7) Aetherpact - When a fairy buff is toggled, casts Fey Whisper, but costs an Aetherflow stack instead of fairy gauge. Has a 60 (or 90?) sec cooldown.

Summary:

Consolidates and updates some buttons. Before we need 8 buttons for 8 effects (Summon Eos/Selene/Seraph, Consolation, Whispering Dawn, Fey Illumination, and Fey Blessing, Dissipation). Now we have 6 buttons for 12 effects. If Dissipation is removed, we’d have 7 buttons for 7 effects in the old and 5 buttons for 9 effects in the new.

This allows the ability for control over the fairy (if needed).

Don’t know if these would be good changes, but I like the idea of consolidating fairy buttons down to make room for new abilities. I wouldn’t mind if they divorced the Aetherflow/fairy gauge from one another.

It sounds good to me, but that’s just me. Hence opening it up to the forum to pick at.