Just got done leveling....

[Raagnar]

You know they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. well fun is in the mind of the player. @Zaaku and Ray, ill party and have fun, ill get PLed and have fun. and there will be days when i do both and dont have fun. Point being... IT'S PREFERENCE!! dont tell me im missing out on this or that because i got a PL because thats what YOU find fun, and dont tell me how horrible it is to grind to 50 because YOU find it boring. ive found fun in both scenarios so think about it before speaking for every player.

[Lux_Rayna]

I took the liberty of deleting my part in this silly flame-war, so hopefully that means the topic can continue.

On topic: What 2.0 needs is a more group cohesive combat system outside of boss fights. SE got it right with bosses and primals, but mob groups feel sloppy and zergish. Not much class identity going on since things die too fast and you can't really get combos off.

You know they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. well fun is in the mind of the player. @Zaaku and Ray, ill party and have fun, ill get PLed and have fun. and there will be days when i do both and dont have fun. Point being... IT'S PREFERENCE!! dont tell me im missing out on this or that because i got a PL because thats what YOU find fun, and dont tell me how horrible it is to grind to 50 because YOU find it boring. ive found fun in both scenarios so think about it before speaking for every player.

Bahaha Raa you did it again!

In all seriousness, yes I can't speak for every player when I say that grinding to 50 is boring. I should clarify that I speak for myself in that I find it boring as of now. I have more fun getting PLed than I do grinding though, lots of lulz to be had. Like I said earlier, I think ppl should do whatever it is they find fun. If grinding is fun, grind. If endgame is fun, PL your way through the boring stuff. I really don't believe anyone should do something in a way thats not fun for them.

I still DO think, however, that the content between 1 and 40 could use some polishing. It doesn't seem to contain a whole lot, especially since most of the quests can easily be soloed.

[Truce]

Lux, I agree with you.

The only party I ever joined occured during my grind through 49. As you said, it was a total zerg-fest. Didn't feel nearly as structered as the old FFXI fights (I know!) . I wasn't even sure I was contributing, everything was dying so fast. Combo's are easier to pull off solo, which seems to go against their function. Honestly, soloing leves was way more productive.

[Starlord]

Lux, I agree with you.

The only party I ever joined occured during my grind through 49. As you said, it was a total zerg-fest. Didn't feel nearly as structered as the old FFXI fights (I know!) . I wasn't even sure I was contributing, everything was dying so fast. Combo's are easier to pull off solo, which seems to go against their function. Honestly, soloing leves was way more productive.

Don't you worry.. by the looks of things were getting XI all over again.. because Quite a few people are literally asking for it :P.

That's just me though :P.

[Truce]

Don't you worry.. by the looks of things were getting XI all over again.. because Quite a few people are literally asking for it :P.

That's just me though :P.

Yeah... I've been getting that vibe. It's a shame, really, because I like XIV better than XI- subpar party system and all. I don't want a copy/paste battle system, but some structure would be much appreciated.

[Starlord]

Yeah... I've been getting that vibe. It's a shame, really, because I like XIV better than XI- subpar party system and all. I don't want a copy/paste battle system, but some structure would be much appreciated.

Well, as long as the story,content and Areas are different from XI.. all other stuff ( aka: Battle system, Economy etc)... I could care less if they took some systems from wow to FFXIV.. because what makes any game a game is:

-Story
-Content
-Areas that you are in

As long as I have those 3 everything else that comes in FFXIV as long as the right intention is there, I could care less.. Most Systems are "optional" to use anyhow.

[Lux_Rayna]

Yeah... I've been getting that vibe. It's a shame, really, because I like XIV better than XI- subpar party system and all. I don't want a copy/paste battle system, but some structure would be much appreciated.

All you'd really have to do is tweak enemy AI. Give them some intelligence, some formation, and strengthen them more so they are not so easily face-rolled. They are kinda mindless right now, and weak on top of that, so thats what makes it seem so zergish.

Enemy AI in XI was a tad different in that they were strong enough that killing one required a lot of effort. A couple thundaras were not gonna kill anything, or even close to it.

[Denmo]

OP posted the reason why XIV is so much better now than it was at launch.

[BobbinT]

Didn't really understand why there's still some debate of how you guys play the games.

Simply put: just enjoy it anyway u can and don't try to force too much of your habit to others.

For example, recently I do enjoy pt grinding @ lvl 10+. It all depends on a bit knowledge of the place to hit and knowing how to play your class.
Kinda wish there were more of this grind pt thingie, cause ppl do rarely want to grind below 30. ;D
In the other hands, doing leves kinda important since it also attributes to leve achievements albeit slower lvling.

[viion]

I find PTing really boring, the mobs die too fast and if you have a couple BLM and your a Melee you're pretty much useless.

I went into a 40-45 PT on wolfs, we had 3 blm, they'd nuke them so fast I got off maybe 2-3 hits, was so boring, i couldnt do anything, i had to rely on my TP Gen move because hitting was hardly worth it, and my AOE did about 100 dmg to each mob, where as the blm were popping off 500-600 each, so my class was so boring.

I feel that PTing is quite broken with all my experiences from 30+, its just group mobs, aoe them all. I'd rather just PL than do that because, hey its the same! but more EXP/faster...

I thought we was going to get longer more worthwhile fights, not this grind fest.

That is my experience in exping XD