Just got done leveling....

[Jynx]

(because your stubborn, stupid, or a troll)

Person doesn't allign with my view of the game....(Must be stubborn, stupid, or a troll)

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To be blunt people in general don't put the effort into making the game fun. XI had similar issues coming out of the rear but the community got around those hurdles for the most part.

FFXIV community doesn't seem as willing to try with the availabillity of a easy workaround "insane PL's"

If SE was to do anything to the immediate game to force the community to interact more is crushing this stupid leveling curve. Although I understand they don't care much about the curve as they are focusing all efforts on level 50 players as it stands.

We can only wait and see what SE plans to do for 2.0, as it's glaringly obvious they don't think of leveling as "Content" in XIV pre 2.0.

[Lux_Rayna]

Person doesn't allign with my view of the game....(Must be stubborn, stupid, or a troll)

I'm not going to bother explaining myself because your only reason for posting is to draw me into an argument. I'd rather not derail the thread into debates with quarrelsome people. I already did that once and I shouldn't have. Should learn to leave trolls alone. The OP understand what I meant, took no offense, and is having a pleasant discussion with me. Take your trolling somewhere else.

It sounds like you aren't having fun on your Lancer which is sad. I also notice you're grinding leves all by your onesy. Why not schedule a little leveling PT with your LS? Even if you only get a few at a time and don't feel like gathering an entire PT doing the leves together will at the very least make it a tad more fun.

No I *am* having fun on my lancer (cuz of primals and stuff), but im not having fun on arc lol. And most of my ls have all (or most) of their jobs at 50. I was being lazy and crafting while they were exchanging PL's in preparation for 1.20 lol. I figured I didn't need another max job anyway, cuz I was having plenty of fun on DRG doing stuff. Buuuut current content is not kind to DRG, and potential parties are even unkinder. Plus a lot of times when ls needs a group for dungeon, they need a support spot and not a pure dps spot (pure dps are easy to find). This means I can't go, which means im of no help at the moment lol. Trying to level a support job (bard) so I can be more helpful and flexible. But that is absolute pain for the reasons I just described lol. Arc is really low right now though, like level 8, so im hoping by level 20 or so I can find someone to duo some leves with. Course I tried to link leves with someone once and we didnt have a single leve in common. Poor design strikes again lol.

Anyway I think what I liked about XI was that the party combat felt much more involved. So while it was a slow painful grind, every fight was like a mini-boss, and felt much more cooperative. I enjoyed that a lot, the only thing i hated was delevelling but even that added to the experience.

I admire you for not giving up, but I just can't be that patient lol! But sticking to your beliefs is always a good thing, even if the current setup may make that very difficult. As for myself, I've always loved doing bosses and tough mobs with a bunch of people. Thats why grinding in FFXI was still rewarding for me, because it met my criteria for fun in an MMO. Thats also why I have fun on my LNC even tho I got PLed, because at lvl 50 my criteria for fun can be fulfilled by primals or dungeons. Arc is massive pain simply because of the leve spam, but also because I don't find partying for mob grind particularly rewarding. I've had some rare moments, like my first xp party at 40, but in most cases its about as dull as doing it by myself. I just wish there was better content inbetween 1 and 50.

[Zaaku]

No I *am* having fun on my lancer (cuz of primals and stuff), but im not having fun on arc lol. And most of my ls have all (or most) of their jobs at 50. I was being lazy and crafting while they were exchanging PL's in preparation for 1.20 lol.

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You are a victim yourself. You have missed out on all the opportunities to level up with your LS because they choose to PL and rocket to the finish. Had they not done that you would have more people with which to EXP with. This is what gets me. Can't you see that PLing has already destroyed an important culture within your own LS of general cooperation and team effort? Your LS should be your back bone in this game. The ones you can rely on when /shouting just ain't cutting it. There is a whole lot of nasty out there and your family are the ones who are suppose to be at your side to help you face them. It is a shame you're not on Balmung. I would invite you to one of my PT's on your Arc and we could grow strong together. I hope you find someone to static with at least if your LS is no longer capable of doing it.

[Lux_Rayna]

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You are a victim yourself. You have missed out on all the opportunities to level up with your LS because they choose to PL and rocket to the finish. Had they not done that you would have more people with which to EXP with. This is what gets me. Can't you see that PLing has already destroyed an important culture within your own LS of general cooperation and team effort? Your LS should be your back bone in this game. The ones you can rely on when /shouting just ain't cutting it. There is a whole lot of nasty out there and your family are the ones who are suppose to be at your side to help you face them. It is a shame you're not on Balmung. I would invite you to one of my PT's on your Arc and we could grow strong together. I hope you find someone to static with at least if your LS is no longer capable of doing it.

Lol it is no fault of my ls at all. I had every chance to join them, they extended the invitation, but I declined because I wanted to grind something else. Yes, if there was no PLing, partying would have still been possible even after that long break I took from levelling. I get that. But I was certain, at the time, i would not be levelling anything else anyway. Of course I was wrong (damn), but its no one's fault but my own. Even now, if I wanted to, I could get a PL on my arc so I could go do stuff. But I really hate asking for PLs, and would much prefer to just level without asking ppl to do something for nothing lol. My LS has helped me loads, so much in fact that I really hate to ask for anything else. And really, if it wasn't for them, I wouldnt be playing here today. PLing makes it hard to level grind normally yes, but what I'm saying is that PLing isn't the problem: design is the problem. If it was designed better, and we actually had more people, PLing would not exist. I say it wouldn't exist because I believe its only here due to circumstances. Dev team leaves PLing intact because they *know* it is very difficult for players to level as they had intended. The leveling content is just horrid, there was very little sense of positioning (luckily this has been fixed) and in most cases things die before you really get a chance to do anything. For all those reasons, that is likely why Yoshi and the dev team chose to ignore the PL mechanic. In 2.0, I am also certain PLing won't exist, and am completely certain I won't mind at all.

[Jynx]

Take your trolling somewhere else.

What is this...I don't even.

[Edgecrusher]

Guys, i think the REAL point, besides the fact that non-pl's can be fun and just as rewarding, if you want is THIS

I just wish there was better content inbetween 1 and 50.

Lux is absolutely correct in this at least, what is there to do at lower levels besides leves and toto-rak? not a damn thing, hell even toto-rak is just a GC seal farm as it stands now. like say for instance DH was a lvl 30 instance as well at toto-rak, or if they would have just made more lower level interest in general we'd not have this discussion/argument now. like for instance i'm gridanian in game right...let's see...tam-tara deepcroft and the mun-tuy cellars could have been perfect places besides toto-rak to put 60 minute low level dungeons if toto-rak is min 25, you could have made tam-tara say like min 15ish maybe and mun-tuy maybe 35? it would have gave people plenty of reason to go besides the moogles. (which at this point is the only reason some people even bother with the maze that is the shroud)

In thanalan as well they could done this with copperbell and nanawa, in fact what real reason was there to go to either silver or golden bazzar until they put an AF quest or the achievement unlock? They could have made those opening points to low level instances, put some type of starting quest in ul'dah.."there's a secret cave entrance in the golden bazzar...investigate secrets of an old underground ruin..." yadda yadda. i could go on but my point is..there is even on this STILL copy-pasted map, plenty of places they could have put instanced spots...even coerthas is just about empty except for natalan, DH and AV no?

the fact is, they put everything in for 45+ ...then when people pissed and moaned about the grind instead of making the grind more enjoyable by adding more low level things to do/farm/pt on, they behaved like a good drug dealer and just threw the pl crack and had half the game population smoking at the pipe ever since. i do not pl, i have said that before, i don't fault those who do...i do not attack those who do...i see no need, i just go on a person by person basis for the pt's i'm in, i have had good and bad but my point is...THE GAME implemented it...yoshi-p pretty much gave his seal of approval, campaigning on the abolishment or boycott of it is futile when the people in charge will not put any low level treats for the players.

I understand Zaaku all too well, and i do applaud his efforts, but i am also a realist. the reality, is they are pushing all the chips to the center of the table for 2.0, and little else is going to make a difference or matter until then, even the stuff they DID promise has gotten pused back a bit, yes they make up for it by offering that legacy and welcome back campaign, but the fact is, leveling isn't high on the list. so, do like i do...level at a pace you want, level your favorite classes first, and if a person wants to rush by and pl, tip your hat, say good day and just walk the path you want, not the one others try to make you walk.