Just got done leveling....

[Galoot]

If only everyone could have a nice party experience like that. Keep plugging away on your anti-PL campaign. For most ppl the story would read more: "I stood in uldah for 5 hours looking for a pt, got an invite, stood there another 2 hours trying to recruit more members. One guy's dog crapped on the floor so he had to leave, two more members gave up and decided to hit the tavern, and I just wasted 7 hours of my life getting no experience points. Can't wait for tomorrow."

I'm glad you had a good experience though. The point you seem to miss over and over and over again (because your stubborn, stupid, or a troll) is that the game does not allow for pleasant party experiences, or *any* party experiences, very often. The only periods where partying is actually viable (as in realistic) is 30-50. The 30 range is iffy sometimes, but the influx of players make finding a 30+ party not very hard....sometimes. It just depends.

Long story short, that experience is not even close to the norm, and you can stop pretending that it is. Even if you do get in a good party, 90% of the time its boring grind (all my parties have been this way).

Oh yeah, and I've had similarly awesome experiences running Ifrit a bunch of times with strangers after getting PLed. Made a lot of friends, got in a few linkshells, had a lot of laughs....so glad I skipped the grind for that! Way better than any experience party ive ever been in. Have fun on your campaign. Just make sure to remember, a good experience can be found anywhere.

This is why I hate forums and what is wrong with gaming today. How can you call the OP a troll when all he is doing is sharing a good leveling experience and you swoop in with your trolling expertise. Obviously you're a negative person and I was glad to see that you are not on my server. I'm not going to say I haven't PL'd at all or helped some friends with leveling so that we could share some benefit of having higher classes. Your post amazes me that someone could be this much of an ass to take a great post of an experience and bring down your negative rant. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Great story Zaaku, these are the experiences I hope to have when 2.0 comes out and they fix the leveling. I remember the same feeling after a good grind session in FFXI. And no, I don't want FFXI-2, I just want that same feeling of accomplishment when good people gather together and have a good EXP PT. Good mixture of DMG, healing, and support and flowing EXP.

[Irzibe]

And it's stories like these that makes leveling up at the low levels so much fun and part of the FFXIV's experience. I really dislike the fact that people want to level up even faster/get PL to zoom past those levels.

I really hope when they increase the level cap, they make leveling a little slower than what we have right now...

[Lux_Rayna]

And it's stories like these that makes leveling up at the low levels so much fun and part of the FFXIV's experience. I really dislike the fact that people want to level up even faster/get PL to zoom past those levels.

I really hope when they increase the level cap, they make leveling a little slower than what we have right now...

Its not really their fault though. SE has not given them much in the way of pleasant levelling content. If they put as much effort into the early level content as they did to endgame dungeons/primals, a lot more ppl would be perfectly happy with grinding it up, myself included. Right now im levelling arc and all im doing is solo leves, its just awful. That is not an MMO experience at all, but a single player game. Once we have more new players, and better early-mid level design grinding should be fun again. FFXI grinding was the best, I loved partying in that game. This sytem doesn't really deliver in the same way though, they need to work on it.

[Zaaku]

Its not really their fault though. SE has not given them much in the way of pleasant levelling content. If they put as much effort into the early level content as they did to endgame dungeons/primals, a lot more ppl would be perfectly happy with grinding it up, myself included. Right now im levelling arc and all im doing is solo leves, its just awful. That is not an MMO experience at all, but a single player game. Once we have more new players, and better early-mid level design grinding should be fun again. FFXI grinding was the best, I loved partying in that game. This sytem doesn't really deliver in the same way though, they need to work on it.

Well I'm glad you enjoyed the story and more importantly caught the subtle (Ok not so subtle) point I was hoping to get across. Leveling in and of itself is almost never actually 'fun'. It is of course by its very nature kind of repetitive and long tasked. It is the attitude which you carry into a PT. The people you meet and your own willingness to tough it out that turning a boring grind into one of that most satisfying sessions of FFXIV's I've played so far. My story was hardly perfect and I even mention the hard times when I am dual purposing tanking some feisty and looking for that elusive 8th member. I never gave up and because of that I was able to keep myself and my new friends going.


FFXI was much like this actually. Much much more slow in actuality. It is because people didn't have the option to blast through the levels with a PL and the game made it very clear in the beginning that partying up was how things were done that made it much simpler to get people in the same mindset. The other major hiccup is because of PLing not only are those people jumping past what should be their stomping grounds losing out, so are the rest of us trying to get a stable EXP pt up and running. When you take 7 people from 20-30 in 2 hours while they AFK. You also take 7 people in range of forming PT's out of the equation. It has happened at least half a dozen times that I will form a partial PT to do leves and find enough people already out in Eorzea who could fill out the rest of my band. Yet they just want to sit there even though a PT is being handed to them, personal deliver style.

It sounds like you aren't having fun on your Lancer which is sad. I also notice you're grinding leves all by your onesy. Why not schedule a little leveling PT with your LS? Even if you only get a few at a time and don't feel like gathering an entire PT doing the leves together will at the very least make it a tad more fun.

[Galoot]

(Stands on moral pedestal)
Sorry, I didn't follow your arguments across threads, keep it where it was. And because you have stretched an arguement across threads does lead me to believe you're an ass. I'll finish with a have a nice day, and preciate ya.

[Denmo]

OP posted the reason why XIV is so much better now than it was at launch.

[Jynx]

(because your stubborn, stupid, or a troll)

Person doesn't allign with my view of the game....(Must be stubborn, stupid, or a troll)

*edit*

To be blunt people in general don't put the effort into making the game fun. XI had similar issues coming out of the rear but the community got around those hurdles for the most part.

FFXIV community doesn't seem as willing to try with the availabillity of a easy workaround "insane PL's"

If SE was to do anything to the immediate game to force the community to interact more is crushing this stupid leveling curve. Although I understand they don't care much about the curve as they are focusing all efforts on level 50 players as it stands.

We can only wait and see what SE plans to do for 2.0, as it's glaringly obvious they don't think of leveling as "Content" in XIV pre 2.0.

[Lux_Rayna]

Person doesn't allign with my view of the game....(Must be stubborn, stupid, or a troll)

I'm not going to bother explaining myself because your only reason for posting is to draw me into an argument. I'd rather not derail the thread into debates with quarrelsome people. I already did that once and I shouldn't have. Should learn to leave trolls alone. The OP understand what I meant, took no offense, and is having a pleasant discussion with me. Take your trolling somewhere else.

It sounds like you aren't having fun on your Lancer which is sad. I also notice you're grinding leves all by your onesy. Why not schedule a little leveling PT with your LS? Even if you only get a few at a time and don't feel like gathering an entire PT doing the leves together will at the very least make it a tad more fun.

No I *am* having fun on my lancer (cuz of primals and stuff), but im not having fun on arc lol. And most of my ls have all (or most) of their jobs at 50. I was being lazy and crafting while they were exchanging PL's in preparation for 1.20 lol. I figured I didn't need another max job anyway, cuz I was having plenty of fun on DRG doing stuff. Buuuut current content is not kind to DRG, and potential parties are even unkinder. Plus a lot of times when ls needs a group for dungeon, they need a support spot and not a pure dps spot (pure dps are easy to find). This means I can't go, which means im of no help at the moment lol. Trying to level a support job (bard) so I can be more helpful and flexible. But that is absolute pain for the reasons I just described lol. Arc is really low right now though, like level 8, so im hoping by level 20 or so I can find someone to duo some leves with. Course I tried to link leves with someone once and we didnt have a single leve in common. Poor design strikes again lol.

Anyway I think what I liked about XI was that the party combat felt much more involved. So while it was a slow painful grind, every fight was like a mini-boss, and felt much more cooperative. I enjoyed that a lot, the only thing i hated was delevelling but even that added to the experience.

I admire you for not giving up, but I just can't be that patient lol! But sticking to your beliefs is always a good thing, even if the current setup may make that very difficult. As for myself, I've always loved doing bosses and tough mobs with a bunch of people. Thats why grinding in FFXI was still rewarding for me, because it met my criteria for fun in an MMO. Thats also why I have fun on my LNC even tho I got PLed, because at lvl 50 my criteria for fun can be fulfilled by primals or dungeons. Arc is massive pain simply because of the leve spam, but also because I don't find partying for mob grind particularly rewarding. I've had some rare moments, like my first xp party at 40, but in most cases its about as dull as doing it by myself. I just wish there was better content inbetween 1 and 50.