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    Are you really using a Hien as a standard of Eorzea's soldiers can do? He managed to hold off (with some help) a possessed Zenos that was stronger than his earlier aparitions until Wol arrived when normal Zenos was shown plowing through normal soldiers like butter while not even trying since his first aparition. Eorzea do have some exceptional individuals but they are far and between. That the Wol can pull off some crazy stuns doesnt mean that normal soldiers can manage even a tenth of it

    "Q. How strong is the Warrior of light as a human? A. The strength is as follows: Guts > Lv70 WoL > Zenos > Raubahn > Lv50 WoL. The lv70 WoL beating Zenos was a miracle."

    At the very least Hien should be on the level of Raubahn, someone who was considered an invincible legend and that even despite losing an arm can still kick massive ammounts of ass and is a one (armed)man army

    Normal Dragoons are not even close to the level of Estinien considering that hes probably the WoL strongest ally looking at his crazy feats, so dont expect a normal Dragoon oneshooting ships (plus they are specialized on fighting dragons, only the WoL its stated to have a personal multi purpose style)

    Story has stated that Garleans were kicked all around until they developed magiteck then defeated everyone near (proving that usually magitech>magic sans exceptions) until they started using conscripts to fix their lack of magic issues, so they have a huge edge in numbers and tech

    The reason why Garlean empire didnt conquered Eorzea is basically plot armor (designed to create chaos, having a civil war etc), since every time Garleans solved an issue, another popped out forcing them to not focus on Eorzea once again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhearil View Post
    The reason why Garlean empire didnt conquered Eorzea is basically plot armor
    True, but Eorzea also has other factors that make it a harder nut to crack than someplace like Doma or Dalmasca. Even Ala Mhigo probably only fell because it was already unstable (and alone, after the Autumn War) when Garlemald invaded. You've got dragons, primals, a city state who's entire army is specifically trained for anti-air tactics, and aether so dense it literally makes people sick until they get used to it (though the writers have been mostly ignoring that last one these days.) That, combined with the fact that the goal is conquest, not annihilation, makes a takeover much harder.
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    Dragons usually wont intervene on mortal issues usually so dont expect them to do much unless their species got threatened by the Empire. Ishgard anti air weaponry is mid range at best since dragons ranged atack is limited in range, meanwhile Garlean ships can bombard from afar carpet bombing style. Ala Migho was on its prime as strong as the three main cities combined, but King Theodric civil war weakened its power making an easy pick for Gaius Van Baelsar. Dalmasca is more of a conquered yet not pacified region with guerrillas roaming around, but they werent a serious threat until they joined forces with Orthard and even so their victories were bloody

    The most worrysome issue for Garlean Empire are the primals due to their wild card nature and lack of counters against their tempering
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    Another underrated talent that people overlook is garlemald is supposed to be excellent at intelligence and subterfuge, both of which were required to defend their borders prior to magitek. That at the very least gets more attention than their airpower but it's still fairly under-represented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhearil View Post
    I'm a Berserk fan
    That's cool that you like Berserk, but Guts is nowhere close to the power of the Warrior of Light as they are by Stormblood. Not even in the Berserker Armor. Much cooler and more fun to ruminate on, sure, but let's leave other fiction at the door, ok?

    I said DRGs, cause that was just one idea, specifically for taking out the Sky Armor pilots. One big weakness for almost all Magitek personal vehicles is that the pilot is exposed and not even strapped in. There are loads of other ways the Eorzeans could prepare anti-air contingencies. They don't, because it's not conducive to giving it a cinematic feel.

    Also keep in mind, Magitek armor runs out of energy/sky armor runs out of ammo. They will have to go back to reload or engage with their claws and grapples, as they do as regular enemies in gameplay.

    If Pipin were a thinker, and he had accounted for the possibility of Sky Armor, as Lucia remarks afterwards in inbetween dialogue, they could have had anti-air contingency in place.

    As for Magitek being > Magic, well obviously it's not. Your average Magitek armor is better and more reliable than a novice mage, but any veteran mage can literally blow the pilot and the armor apart.

    And then lastly, as far as how strong Hien is... well remember he didn't hold off Elidibus possessing Zenos by himself. He was backed up by Yugiri and Lyse. They barely held their own, and canonically Elidibus could not fully replicate Zenos's technique, instead falling back on his Ascian dark magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    That's cool that you like Berserk, but Guts is nowhere close to the power of the Warrior of Light as they are by Stormblood. Not even in the Berserker Armor. Much cooler and more fun to ruminate on, sure, but let's leave other fiction at the door, ok?
    The guts quote was, if I remember it correctly, a quote directly from Yoshida himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    The guts quote was, if I remember it correctly, a quote directly from Yoshida himself.
    Cool, Yoshi-P's wrong too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    Cool, Yoshi-P's wrong too.
    I am not even disagreeing with you on that since I dont like it when you compare strenght to someone that is not even part of the game but I wanted to make sure that this was not something a poster came up with.

    In the end the devs will decide what they need at the moment. The WoLs greatest weakness is a cutscene after all. My character has every job at lvl 80. So when someone is taken hostage I could just be like "Well have a swiftcast sleep right in your face" but instead no matter how strong we are, as soon as a cutscene starts we are weak as lvl 1 adventurers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    I am not even disagreeing with you on that since I dont like it when you compare strenght to someone that is not even part of the game but I wanted to make sure that this was not something a poster came up with.

    In the end the devs will decide what they need at the moment. The WoLs greatest weakness is a cutscene after all. My character has every job at lvl 80. So when someone is taken hostage I could just be like "Well have a swiftcast sleep right in your face" but instead no matter how strong we are, as soon as a cutscene starts we are weak as lvl 1 adventurers.
    Well, it is pleasing to know that Yoshida is a Berserk fan. I love Berserk, and I love Guts. Especially in the Berserker Armor. The power scaling for that character is nothing like the WoL's though, and many Berserk fans are even questioning how Miura is gonna write him to be able to actually defeat the Godhand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    I am not even disagreeing with you on that since I dont like it when you compare strenght to someone that is not even part of the game but I wanted to make sure that this was not something a poster came up with.

    In the end the devs will decide what they need at the moment. The WoLs greatest weakness is a cutscene after all. My character has every job at lvl 80. So when someone is taken hostage I could just be like "Well have a swiftcast sleep right in your face" but instead no matter how strong we are, as soon as a cutscene starts we are weak as lvl 1 adventurers.
    Remember during the banquet when you are lv 50 and some random mook guards detain you and tie you up like if you were a punk? On some jobs like monk (you have no weapons, so what? being unarmed doesnt instantly make your martial arts null) that has unlocked 7 chakras already is quite ridiculous unless Uldah guards are super beefed up and are Legatus level each one.

    Wol has extreme cases of cutscene incompetence, plus most of the biggest threats were defeated due to external powers: Ultima got Hydaelyne personal intervention, Nidhogg got a Dragon Eye, Hades got 7 more Wols, Albert soul and the entire light collected till then, Elidibus got trapped in the Crystal tower forever due to Graha's help.

    Its true that Wol defeated Thordan and Zenos with no external help amongst others, but the first by now is being power creeped as hell and the second is being stated to be a miracle to pull out a win. Other enemies like primals werent that strong, were weakened dut to story reasons, or the Wol was specifically buffed due to the Blessing of Light

    Wol fame derives originally from being an Eikon Slayer due to the blessing of light making the tempering issue irrelevant and buffing the Wol during certain situations to godlike levels, something that Ysale even mentions in game during Heavensward.
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