Discipline hand/land isn't fun - huge time sink

[Covenant]

Hand/Land is huge time sinks. Often I have to choose what I'm doing for day of game play. Either dungeon raid, high-end raid, gathering, crafting etc.

I understand the economics of the world argument, but I'm not working a real job in my entertainment. Its a game, not sadistic torture.

Crafting is extremely unbalance even against land gathering. It is nearly impossible to get crafting materia without wasting materials to just focus on materia.
In gathering while slow, I'm get tons of craft material, I also get alot of materia. I'm crafting I lose tons of materials, while getting miniscule amounts of materia.
Yet, materia purchase from npc are the same for both jobs.

This isn't a discussion about materia, but time.
Gathering I have to run each spot and then hit it a few time to gather 5-20 items. Crafting is a bunch of actions to craft singlenitems. I was happy squarenix include 3/craft items, still need more

The firmanet reminds me how much I hate this activity., not to mention the token requirement for those special b item's

[DrWho2010]

Don't like it? Don't do it. simple as that. What is there that you think is "forcing" you to do it?

[Jojoya]

Like DrWho said, if you don't enjoy crafting and gathering then don't do them. There's plenty of other content in the game to enjoy and outside of doing MSQ to a small degree, none of it is mandatory. You could be getting rich doing treasure map then buying the items obtained through crafting off the MB instead.

You're causing your own problem if you're trying to force yourself to do something you don't enjoy.

[Covenant]

The don't do it argument is silly. If out of 100 people play a game mechanics and only 10% of players enjoy then, its pointless.
All aspects should be fun, for everyone. I'm not talking high-end challenges.
As a battle class you can pick up the content and not sacrifice much to play it. Waht with duty finder and whatnot. Gear isn't even that hard to get.
Gathering and crafting is super boring. Gardening them same.
If you think squareenix design the game for fun first, and time sinks next...wel that your opinion. To me squareenix uses psychological addictions, similar to gambling to keep you playing without the evil of EA straight buy luck boxes, but to keep you playing months and paying that monthly fee.

[ItMe]

The don't do it argument is silly. If out of 100 people play a game mechanics and only 10% of players enjoy then, its pointless.

And yet... less than 10% of 14's players play mahjong, yet SQEX has updated that a number of times in ShB alone.
Ultimate raids are famously made for only about 1-5% of the playerbase.
SQEX is totally ok with providing niche content.

[DrWho2010]

ok i tried, go ahead and enjoy your strawman argument.

[MrMagic]

I levelled my crafters / gatherers mostly using GC turn ins and levequests where I bought the items instead of crafting it. I went several patches without really crafting and neglected my gear. I bought the gear and Materia the day before the last patch which brought out Exarchic gear. Couldn't be bothered crafting it and no I did not do expensive melds.

When the patch dropped I gathered for a few hours and then started crafting in between gathering. By the end of the following day I had made over 100 million Gil net profit, with an initial investment of less than 5 million Gil. I then put down my tools and haven't really crafted since.

I wouldn't call it pointless when the return on time investment can be huge. It doesn't even have to take that long to get a good return, just good planning ahead of patches. Each to their own I guess. I'm now back to levelling a new DoM and doing *sigh Bozjan relics.

[Jojoya]

All aspects should be fun, for everyone. I'm not talking high-end challenges.

Crafting is fun. Because it's fun for me, it's automatically fun for you.

Can you now understand why what you want is unrealistic? Not everyone finds the same things fun. It's up to us as individuals to seek out what is fun to us instead of expecting everything to be changed to suit what we want.

If you find crafting, gathering and gardening super boring then don't do them. They aren't content designed to be what you want. Go do things that don't bore you instead.

[EaMett]

And yet... less than 10% of 14's players play mahjong, yet SQEX has updated that a number of times in ShB alone.
Ultimate raids are famously made for only about 1-5% of the playerbase.
SQEX is totally ok with providing niche content.

10% is actually a pretty high adoption figure for a feature. Which might sound counter-intuitive.
I'm surprised mahjong is played that much.

[DrWho2010]

10% is actually a pretty high adoption figure for a feature. Which might sound counter-intuitive.
I'm surprised mahjong is played that much.

You underestimate how much people in Japan love playing mahjong.