Thread: Fix Summoner Once and For All in 6.0 Please!

Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Only fun parts of Summoner I find great is the Bahamut and Phoenix parts since they feel great and impactful. The rest just feels so lame.

So I'm curious. What is it that makes Bahamut and Phoenix feel more impactful than Egi? Size and Appearance? Attack Animation? Raw Numbers?

Originally Posted by Dyvid

So I'm curious. What is it that makes Bahamut and Phoenix feel more impactful than Egi? Size and Appearance? Attack Animation? Raw Numbers?

To me it's everything together... The way you summon them after going through a Trance, the appearance, the attack animations.

Originally Posted by Dyvid

So I'm curious. What is it that makes Bahamut and Phoenix feel more impactful than Egi? Size and Appearance? Attack Animation? Raw Numbers?

How they are summoned. The summon itself being big and imposing like in the games and of course that big attack with that huge burst number.

One of the coolest parts of the old final fantasies was summoning some big ass cool looking monster to come and wreck the place.

Originally Posted by Exodus-E

FF11's weren't as big nor as imposing as previous FF games (they were "better-looking" than Egis, though).
Just saying.

Anyways, and as far as FF14 is concerned, Egis are an integral part of SMN's identity.
Just like cards are for AST or faeries for SCH.
So those aren't going anywhere.

If anything, it's far more likely that we'll get more Trances/Demi-Summons in the future.

If they want to keep egi's relevant we going to need more interaction with them.

Also Sephirot Egi when?

Personally if they stick to the current way we use our Egi's I'd prefer if their egi skills were on their own GCD system or become oGCDs again so the Summoner can attack at the same time.

And to make Egi's more relevant they need to have more then 2 abilities. Which I think people have been wanting for a while.

Furthermore since the Egi attacks becomes dead buttons during Bahamut/Phoenix trances I feel they should turn into different summon attacks during that time.

I very much dislike relying on casting a spell and waiting for that 0.5s delayed Wyrmwave to come out. It's even worse when the summon has to move and stop before it throws an attack out. Summoning them in a fixed position would be good overall since they are invincible anyway.

Egi attacks into the Egi ultimate like say Crimson Assault into Inferno feels good. I'd like more of that.

Right now SMN just feels slow and clunky.

Which now that I think about why do Bahamut and Phoenix not have auto attacks like the other Egi's do?

If Yoshi doesn't want to add a slew of new skills to accommodate the 3 summon types he should be adding in unlockable Egi glamours for each Eikon/Esper trial we complete or make them Savage/Extreme rewards akin to Tank mounts.

People have been asking for Ramuh egi and Sephirot Egi for a while.

If time can be put in for Carbuncle there is no reason why the others can't be implemented as well.

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As for FF11 summons. We don't want that kind of gameplay where you call down the summon and it goes on a absurd CD for the whole server or has severe costs.

What I think players want is the aesthetic of summoning a scaled down summon beast to fight with akin to FFX style summoning. Instead of what we got.

Personally Carbuncle looks leagues better then Ifrit/Garuda/Titan and I won't be using them.

As for gameplay changes I do feel Egi assaults need another look at as well as hpw Bahamut/Phoenix Function.

So this is coming from the viewpoint of an absolute smooth brain DRG main. But doesn't SMN feel like it's about to burst with how much it's getting? Like something is gotta give with it right? DoT management, Pet Management, the longest rotation on a class, and the highest penalty for error margin on a dps. So if the dev team decided to rebuild the class by scrapping something, what would mains' of SMN be the most comfortable losing? From my PoV I feel like DoT is a no Brain to scrap and rework the job from there no?