Thread: Fix Summoner Once and For All in 6.0 Please!

Originally Posted by Mimilu

What I would like to see in the future:
-Make the Egi Assaults oGCD abilities you can weave in between your casts.

We had that between 5.0 and 5.1 and it was miserable, because your weaving opportunities were so strict that it made it pointlessly complex and punishing. I don't think SMN is a great Weaving-Mage (like RDM is).

Originally Posted by Mimilu

My thoughts as who is trying to play SMN for the first time:
-While I do like the Egi Assaults (they make the job feel more Pet-class-like), they feel clunky to use to me.

They are a bit clunky, which is just another way of saying you have to wait a little bit before they execute the action, which in most cases is completely fine. The pets are more responsive than ever nowadays, and the delay does align with the "give command/execute order" fantasy.

Originally Posted by Mimilu

-This is more a lore thing but why is Phoenix the "upgrade" to Bahamut? And why do we have Phoenix in the first place? With what happened in Coil, it seems weird that we're using Phoenix and that it comes after Bahamut.

Phoenix is not an upgrade to Bahamut, in fact they do the exact same damage. Phoenix is just another "flavor" of demi-summon with a different trance system that works together with Dreadwyrm's. As of why we got Phoenix at all, well... that's not a SMN individual issue. All of the other jobs are gaining new abilities that go completely unexplained by the lore as well and I can only assume that was a deliberate decision taken by the devs.

Originally Posted by Mimilu

-Why isn't there a Pet-Glamour Menu yet?

They haven't touched the system at all since its implementation, unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Mimilu

What I would like to see in the future:
-Make the Egi Assaults oGCD abilities you can weave in between your casts.

That's how it use to be, and it was not very good. SMN literally did not have enough space to weave so many actions between GCDs and giving so many commands to the pets so fast was making their action queue very convuluted and the actions would get delayed even more. Having Egi assaults as GCDs helped SMN way more and gave it much needed mobility outside trances.

Originally Posted by Mimilu

-Rename Miasma III to II. SCH doesn't even have the spell anymore, their is no reason for this naming-convention. :B

Alphinaud uses it. =)

Originally Posted by Mimilu

-Make the Egi Assaults oGCD abilities you can weave in between your casts.

Some of your ideas are interesting but this one would only put Summoner right back into the basically unplayable state it was in between 5.0 and 5.1 Egi Assaults being off the GCD made the entire rotation and absolute horror to use that caused even the most die hard summoner mains in savage raids to drop the class in favor of Black Mage because prolonged play on it was hurting their hands. Summoner does not need less instant GCD's.

Originally Posted by Grimoire-M

It's a case of flavor that the current Lore already justifies to some extent. We are able to access Dreadwyrm Trance and later Demi-Bahamut because of the Calamity scattering Bahamut's Aether all over Eorzea. Phoenix was a Primal that was present during the Calamity, whose Aether was also scattered in a similar manner, though Coil goes into detail how exactly that all worked out. Ergo, since the two are linked, it follows that we have the potential to summon a Demi-Primal version of Phoenix. The Light-suffused Aether of the First just helped us pull that off, somehow, and we get -zero- relevant explanation on that part, but that's the gist. Also, notably, Firebird Trance does deal more damage than Dreadwyrm Trance. By 400 potency or so on single target. I think it's technically less on AoE, but basically the GCD bonus damage given to us from Fountain of Fire/Brand of Purgatory is worth roughly twice that of Deathflare initially and the falloff, while there, isn't a big deal compared to using Phoenix itself.

I like that aspect of how we moved from Dreadwyrm's Trance to Bahamut to eventually Phoenix. In fact I really enjoy how things are now to the point I hope 6.0 doesn't add a new Demi-summon out of nowhere and instead expand on the two we currently have.

On the Bahamut vs Phoenix subject, I was mostly referring to the Demi-summons themselves, which do share the same damaging main actions (Ekindle and Wyrmwaves/Scarlet Flames.
But if we do want to get technical about it, the entire Bahamut phase and Phoenix phase still do the same damage on an ideal rotation if you consider the 4 Further Ruin stacks you need to use to get the max value out of Bahamut. Granted, you could look at it in an absolute vacuum and say Firebird trance gives you an extra 400 potency since Further Ruin is not inherently a product of Dreadwyrm trance. But in an actual run if you look at your DPS spike in burst phases with proper buff alignment, both Demi-summon phases will have the exact same potency output. Personally I think that's a more elegant way to look at it.

I still want the rest of the Egi's already. It's been how long now?

I don't even care what size they are. I just want Square to "get it" already.

Square will just sweep the issue under the rug if we don't keep talking about it.