Thread: Fix Summoner Once and For All in 6.0 Please!

SMN is definitely the job I'm gonna be looking at the changes for first...
It was my first job, but I've since basically dropped it and I'm hoping I can rock it once more.

Originally Posted by ItMe

SMN is definitely the job I'm gonna be looking at the changes for first...
It was my first job, but I've since basically dropped it and I'm hoping I can rock it once more.

Yeah me too. I truly hope they do us justice. Not just add another Demi-primal and give us a whole bunch of trait upgrades and call it a day.

How about removing Energy Drain and Energy Siphon?

Fester
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 300
Maximum Charges: 2
Shares a recast timer with Painflare
Recast: 15s
Cast: Instant

Painflare
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 130 to target and all enemies nearby it.
Maximum Charges: 2
Shares a recast timer with Fester
Recast: 15s
Cast: Instant

Originally Posted by Ayden

How about removing Energy Drain and Energy Siphon?

I know you're just sort of throwing this out there, but given how much Summoner has moved away from Arcanist, this wouldn't be surprising in the least.

Originally Posted by Kabooa

I know you're just sort of throwing this out there, but given how much Summoner has moved away from Arcanist, this wouldn't be surprising in the least.

it's honestly the best call if they arnt gonna tie demi summons to aeterflow anymore. Its just busy work atm

Originally Posted by Kabooa

I know you're just sort of throwing this out there, but given how much Summoner has moved away from Arcanist, this wouldn't be surprising in the least.

I'm honestly expecting Fester and Painflare to retire as well. At this point, they are about as much vestigial limbs as ED/ES are. Why not make room to try and smooth out and expand upon the actual trance/summon rotation?

I'd prefer to have the big summons on a gauge like MCH. I love that Phoenix can heal but the timing is too static.

Originally Posted by Exodus-E

Actually, it's Scholar the one that moved the furthest away from its Arcanist roots (although, not completely).
Which makes sense considering its role.

Else, if they intend to change Summoner further, they will have to look deeper into Arcanist itself.

True. Summoner still has about 14 abilities tied to arcanist while scholar has like 4-5? So yeah scholar might be the one heading out.

Originally Posted by ty_taurus

I'm honestly expecting Fester and Painflare to retire as well. At this point, they are about as much vestigial limbs as ED/ES are. Why not make room to try and smooth out and expand upon the actual trance/summon rotation?

To me all four can stay around, just with the energy skills acting as low level variants of Fester/Painflare, which are then given upgrades during the Bahamut phase in order to distinguish it from Phoenix come 6.0. This is mostly to keep the ability prune and lack of balancing for ARR from being a complete turn off to new players that want to pick up Arcanist, which I think is a problem they’re going to walk into in the long run.

I still think that Aetherflow should return to Arcanist too, for the benefits it gives to both of its Job paths at low and high levels alike. The only other option I would approve of is implementing charges on Trance, but capping it to one initially on zone change/reset. The ‘single charge pre-combat’ change is something I’ve admittedly wanted on all classes in general since Stormblood just to shift the raid window dynamics a bit, rather than converting everyone to static 2-minute rotations as has been suggested elsewhere.