What's the point of ranks?

[Radaghast]

It's more of a lack of sense of progression. If you don't have that carrot on a stick which is critical for MMO's you really don't have any sense of why you even bother playing. Right now all there is to do is grind, and while I do enjoy me some grinding, if that's all there is going to be for the next 6+ months, there won't be very many left to see PS3 release.

[gifthorse]

of course it can
and the same time, we see everyone use the same excuse as for "why level" or "why do this" "why do that"

in the end, these games are nothing but huge time sinks, if you play this as a "life goal" or seriously as if it mattered then isnt that moreso a problem then what they game itself is doing.

in wow, you waste 85 levels getting to endgame, 85 horrible levels that you dont wanna have to do cuz they suck and nothing is worth doing before then(after all wow is just an endgame, and anyone who says otherwise doesnt realize how that game evolved)
so why not just start everyone off at 85? cuz thats not how things work
time sinks, its all any game is

Wait... so why not start the game at endgame?

I didn't really understand that point.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

SE didn't make these boards to read complaints on how everything is bad. They made these boards to see what we do like, build up more we enjoy. If you dislike 99% of the game, they have nothing to build on with what you do like. I like the game, and know it can be better. I made suggestions for improvements, like a more seemless manual attack. Or stuff that improves immersion, character chat animations. If you want to repeatedly say how bad this game is, stick to your fansites. Let those with actual suggestions that improve this game be brainstormed for SE to read.

Also bashing on ppl saying "oh you have bad taste, game must be that bad" is pretty low. We do need to stop bashing each other. It is a mockery of the decently good ffxi community. One thing we players/ would be players need to do is start building a better community on these forums.

Stop the petty bashing, attacking.

[Xatsh]

SE didn't make these boards to read complaints on how everything is bad. They made these boards to see what we do like, build up more we enjoy. If you dislike 99% of the game, they have nothing to build on with what you do like. I like the game, and know it can be better. I made suggestions for improvements, like a more seemless manual attack. Or stuff that improves immersion, character chat animations. If you want to repeatedly say how bad this game is, stick to your fansites. Let those with actual suggestions that improve this game be brainstormed for SE to read.

Also bashing on ppl saying "oh you have bad taste, game must be that bad" is pretty low. We do need to stop bashing each other. It is a mockery of the decently good ffxi community. One thing we players/ would be players need to do is start building a better community on these forums.

Stop the petty bashing, attacking.

I would love to see a community form on these forums, and in game honestly... but until every single person who is "OMG THIS IS THE WORST GAME EVAR!!!!!!" quit the game completly and leaves/gets baned from this forum it will never happen.

The troll to fanboy ratio is like 20:1 on these forums

The forum needs more moderation, and all these garbage post need to be deleted, and all the resident trolls need to be banned... Keep the threads that are civil discussions and delete all the repetitive complaining post no reason to have 10 threads about something being broke, or someone complaining about something the devs already stated would be changed.... You know keep the threads that will help build the community and help the devs get an idea what we like and dislike... but all the FFXIV fails/sucks/is a joke/troll threads need to be deleted there is nothing to be gained from those besides pissing off the community.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Winter is pretty much quoting game designer Chis Cao (ironically a fat dude comic book lover) he pretty much told a gaming site that leveling in mmo are essintially pointless. That it was a useless time sink since the real fun is at end game. He help made DCUO start with lvl 30 cap. It takes about a week to hit this cap. And all that is left is years of end game grinding for tier gear. Alot of ppl bought into this (imo bs) concept and felt the same.

He feels mmo need to be fast paced.

Imo this game designer is silly. MMO are meant to be a bit slower paced (in a sence) since mmo are games that grow over time. There is no reason to "race to the end" unlike most single player games. They are meant to be enjoyed over time.

Having levels pretty much are just away for us to spend time in the game. It gives us something to do. And the higher we progress, the more stuff we unlock. Leveling doesn't need to be "work" before the fun. Leveling shpuld be fun as well, no matter the pace.

[Keith_Dragoon]

yeah it is true the high level content in this game is drastically missing. honestly the content for all levels are missing. you have more exploration you can do at high levels and nm fights, but overall it is severely lacking in higher level characters having alot to do. this to me is the most important thing this game needs is more stuff to do and strive for in each level range. i know myself i have been leveling my classes because i know se and they will make a success out of this game even though it is nowhere near what i would classify as release quality now.

I agree but I do just the p[[psite of you, I hold off on leveling my jobs only so i can experience things first hand and I kinda hope SE makes the missions more "involving" if you know what I mean.

[Radaghast]

SE didn't make these boards to read complaints on how everything is bad. They made these boards to see what we do like, build up more we enjoy. If you dislike 99% of the game, they have nothing to build on with what you do like. I like the game, and know it can be better. I made suggestions for improvements, like a more seemless manual attack. Or stuff that improves immersion, character chat animations. If you want to repeatedly say how bad this game is, stick to your fansites. Let those with actual suggestions that improve this game be brainstormed for SE to read.

Also bashing on ppl saying "oh you have bad taste, game must be that bad" is pretty low. We do need to stop bashing each other. It is a mockery of the decently good ffxi community. One thing we players/ would be players need to do is start building a better community on these forums.

Stop the petty bashing, attacking.

Not trying to bash, but if it's anything like the beta forums, it's just going to be a place for people to talk whilst they continue to ignore us. Anyone remember the 200+ page thread on just the UI alone?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

its not even the matter of fanboy vs troll. I'm saying typical forum trolls who derail threads for sake of attention. They are planting the conspircy therories in hopes we attack each other. Which is what they do.

Personally those white knight/fanboy vs troll thread should have never been writen. They helped paved the way for such a pardon the french piss poor community. When I finally get to log in ffxi. I don't want to see fights over petty bs like in WoW or Aion. I want to log in and see helpful fun players. People asking if anyone needs help, or if anyone wants to join a Ls or company. :/ AkA the typical ffxi community I grew to enjoy.

MMo communities are pretty importent to an mmo. A bad community can make it hard to enjoy a good mmo. Like I did for a bit enjoy both WoW and Aion. Just the bad community ruined it my enjoyment.

Sorry for the thread hijack but man getting sick of the Aion/WoW esk community we got.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Not trying to bash, but if it's anything like the beta forums, it's just going to be a place for people to talk whilst they continue to ignore us. Anyone remember the 200+ page thread on just the UI alone?

they said that the bugs were too much to handle at the time and couldn't do the changes which was asked. Do look that stuff up before posting.

Also if you seen the "to do" list you will se alot of changes to the game are being done fir the UI, such as a battle changes that will take 2 mnths. (as in each mnth they will have changes to the battles) They also have been changing the UI slowly. For a good amount of stuff Like getting levequests with in certain ranks, and adding and improving the market ward search function. All of which are UI changes.

[gifthorse]

. MMO are meant to be a bit slower paced (in a sence) since mmo are games that grow over time. There is no reason to "race to the end" unlike most single player games. They are meant to be enjoyed over time.

Having levels pretty much are just away for us to spend time in the game. It gives us something to do. And the higher we progress, the more stuff we unlock. Leveling doesn't need to be "work" before the fun. Leveling shpuld be fun as well, no matter the pace.

Well it all just achieves the same thing. The developers can give you "something to do" regardless of which option they take.

• if there were no ranks, they would give you meaningful battles, quests, objectives, and a wealth of content to digest.
• if there were ranks, then they would give you meaningless battles just to fill out your SP bar (think grinding), and less content to digest.

Anyway if endgame starts at day one, then you aren't "Racing to endgame". To the contrary, you have all the time in the world to digest the content the developers put into the game, and you wouldn't be beleagured by the constant nagging voice telling you to "level, level, level" before you could actually have fun. You could take it slow and just see all there is to see in the world and do all there is to do.

But, really, think about it. If the game is so devoid of actual things to do that it has to resort to forcing you to rank up for no other reason than to waste your time, then that's just poor development.

Theoretically speaking, there are many forms of progression. Making you grind out ranks to give the sense of progression is simply the most obvious one, and the cheapest.