Thread: Dark Knight 6.0: Wishlist

I like those Scourge ideas. I also like the idea of Carve and Spit being three strikes instead of one. While more of an aesthetic change, I'd much prefer to see DRK be about lots of numbers (i.e. 99x combo) instead of slowly winding up for one big damage swing. There's nothing wrong with encouraging players to hit buttons as they light up, especially if you're playing on a faster GCD.

I don't think that phase transitions have to detract from DoTs or abilities like Living Shadow. The solution is to give players the option to burn the remainder of the cooldown for on-demand damage when you need to. That was the idea behind my proposed new finisher ability. Either let Living Shadow run its course and use Shadowbringer at the end to maximize your total damage, or burn it sooner for some burst and to cut your losses before a phase transition happens.

Originally Posted by SpiralMask

isnt frey just scourge but visually updated? it's got roughly the same duration due to the hard animation lock beign summoned/unsummoned eating the timer, it's just been buffed in potency in exchange for being tied to meter

as for @OP: my personal wish for DRK is that it gets a pass in 6.0 to help better differentiate it from WAR, as the 5.0 overhaul basically reduced it to WAR +4 OGCDs -2 defensive cooldowns (complete with their own copy of "infuriate", "inner release", and so on). every class should be remarkable in it's own right and unique enough that one cant really draw so direct a comparison. it deserves better.

nowhere near the same

scourge is a dot you can apply whenever, access as soon as you picked up the job and was pretty strong for its time

Fray does whatever s/he likes though usually starting with an abyssal drain followed by a plunge. Of the moves available to fray, 3 of them are actually stronger than your own (quietus, abyssal drain and plunge)
Fray also has issues with a faulty timer and bosses when they move out of melee radius. Scourge had nothing wrong with it

Fray's moves also change somewhat depending on what you're fighting, but there's no guarentees. I've had fray do quietus 3 times against a boss

Originally Posted by SpiralMask

what moves he uses is irrelevant--it's just regular ticks of X potency damage over his duration (barring weirdness like server ticks giving him more or less moves in that window, aforementioned animation issues, etc), much like a DoT. most of the other 'starter' DoTs have also been pruned out of the game, with fracture being an easy example.

what scourge had "wrong" with it was previously cited due to low potency--that they had nerfed themselves prior, as if on purpose to bring that about--and class feature complexity making upkeep of it difficult alongside managing aggro and various class-specific meters and stances and whatnot (which is no longer and issue as of 5.0 watering down basically everyone to a fairly uniform greyish lump).
I'm not saying the class couldn't/shouldn't get it back, just noting that we do sort of now have a ~18s DoT of 300 potency/second currently, instead of the previous 18s DoT of 40 potency/second with an added 100 potency upfront.
EDIT: nevermind, napkin-ing this out since it's bothering me
math's looking like:
living shadow: (assuming 18s due to animation locks) 300 * 6 (ticks) = 1800 potency over 2 minutes

scourge DoT: 40 * 6 (ticks) = 340 potency / 18s
with 6.666[...] applications / 120s that means roughly 1584 potency ((40*6)*6.6) over 2 minutes
+ 700 (since it's upfront you get the 7th activation for the .666etc part) = 2284 potency over 2 minutes

so... we lost close to 500 potency in the lurch (which i wonder if the various new OGCDs like edge of shadow make up for). unless my math's wrong anyway (if anyone wants to break the 2 minutes down into 3s ticks and count the DoT potency of those 40's more directly by my guest).

There really is no need to make it complicated.

Old scourge was 100 intial and 40 per tick for 30 seconds(10 ticks). 500 total potency.

Living Shadow is roughly 380 pot x7 with 3 attacks having AoE components. 2min CD.

You can get 4 uses of Scourge per 1 living Shadow. 2000 pot vs 2660. Scourge is also a GCD so you pay the cost of the GCD average of the Soul Eater combo which is about 350 ish potency. So in reality, old scourge is only a 600 potency gain versus LS' flat 2660 potency button. Not to mention due to the nature of LS being all pooled in one short period it will capitalize more on buff/pot windows.

A lot of people want it back because a dot is something to manage in between this 1-2-3 boredom inducing spiel

oh i agree, getting more stuff to do after the 5.0 homogenizations would be very welcome.