Foresight for 5.5 - Character Death

[Vyrerus]

So in 2.55 there was character death and fakeouts.

In 3.55 there was more and it was lasting.

In 4.55 there were fakeout deaths with the Scions being called.

So for 5.55?

What do you think? Whether they be major like the Scions or minor, like City State leaders or generals or what have you... who do you think will die and more importantly, how?

I think we're due for some death, in order to give our villains some impact. I think Fandaniel might get to kill somebody.

I think Urianger and the Twins are off the table(Trailer voiceover and appearances). Everybody else is fair game. Will Catboi Sage Deluxe last?

I guess it's all just guess work. Anyone got any patterns between the current cast and casts of old, whether big or small? Could we be set up to see another Wilred or some sort? Are any of the Scions giving off mad Papalymo vibes, in someway I don't see?

Fire up those braincases!

[Halivel]

I would assume that all NPCs that are currently presented in Trust System are sort of in a safe zone. Mainly because it will be weird to keep them there if they're dead, and removing some may cause "hey pardon me what did we level them for then" pushback.

Lyse isn't in Trust system so... she may become the victim, plus 5.4 MSQ ending was kind of hinting its possibility. Same goes for Krile who also isn't playable though I can't find any reason for her to die yet.

[Vyrerus]

I would assume that all NPCs that are currently presented in Trust System are sort of in a safe zone. Mainly because it will be weird to keep them there if they're dead, and removing some may cause "hey pardon me what did we level them for then" pushback.

Lyse isn't in Trust system so... she may become the victim, plus 5.4 MSQ ending was kind of hinting its possibility. Same goes for Krile who also isn't playable though I can't find any reason for her to die yet.

Hmm. A solid rationale. I don't see the Trust system as preventative to this though, because on first use they happen with the chronology of events in the game. So going back and doing a dungeon would allow you to use the Trusts of even dead characters, because of the same logic used for why things like doing the Culnarian questline have the Sultana in them, even if you do them between 2.55 and 3.0

[Seraphor]

Hmm. A solid rationale. I don't see the Trust system as preventative to this though, because on first use they happen with the chronology of events in the game. So going back and doing a dungeon would allow you to use the Trusts of even dead characters, because of the same logic used for why things like doing the Culnarian questline have the Sultana in them, even if you do them between 2.55 and 3.0

Indeed, we don't have confirmation of who is still in the trust system for 81-90 dungeons, other than Estinien, so its entirely possible that someone could be killed off between the last 80 dungeon and the start of Endwalker.
The Twins are very unlikely though, and so is G'raha as we just got him and he's had enough death fake outs as it is.

I'd however put my money on someone like... Matoya.
I think Sharlayan is the next big area they'll be announcing in the May fanfest event, and so with a Sharlayan heavy plot, with more chaarcter development for the twins and the scions as a whole, Matoya or maybe even Krile could be on the chopping block.

[LisSquid]

I would assume that all NPCs that are currently presented in Trust System are sort of in a safe zone. Mainly because it will be weird to keep them there if they're dead, and removing some may cause "hey pardon me what did we level them for then" pushback.

Lyse isn't in Trust system so... she may become the victim, plus 5.4 MSQ ending was kind of hinting its possibility. Same goes for Krile who also isn't playable though I can't find any reason for her to die yet.

They did just give us another DPS. Trust npcs came and went with the story, so it's not a for sure thing. Also, dungeons are sort of timecapsuled to when they come out. If you, say, kill Urianger he's still up for shb dungeons. Just no longer available for anything beyond.

I think any character currently in the dps slot isn't safe.

I'm expecting a fake death, as usual. Beyond that its difficult to speculate

Also this. Death is meaningless in 14.

[White_Wolf_X]

They did just give us another DPS. Trust npcs came and went with the story, so it's not a for sure thing. Also, dungeons are sort of timecapsuled to when they come out. If you, say, kill Urianger he's still up for shb dungeons. Just no longer available for anything beyond.

I think any character currently in the dps slot isn't safe.



Also this. Death is meaningless in 14.

[Recon1o6]

Where's moenbryda ;n; seriously what a waste of her excellent character. She was awesome. I'd have took her over Krile any day.

I'm gonna get a load of flack for saying this, but I felt Haurchefaunts death was poorly done. For starters that Sunlight spear knockoff should have exploded the moment it met his shield, not drill through several layers of metal and haurchefaunt only to fizzle and never appear again. Zepherain never uses that move in normal or extreme.

As an astro at the time, I was pretty damn pissed I couldn't heal/raise him. I will admit the cutscene with him dying was well done.


Papalymos death...well I was sad to see him go. I confess I didn't agree with the logic behind his death though. Then again shinryu at the end of SB was hampered by Zenos controlling it. Getting to see Omega fight it was pretty cool though.

Since then though all our deaths on the allied side have been fake

[Shibi]

For those we have lost.

So, who next? Lyse, could be spun into quite a sacrifice.

As Papalymo said on the wall "Take her. Please, you have to take her".

[Tint]

I'm gonna get a load of flack for saying this, but I felt Haurchefaunts death was poorly done. For starters that Sunlight spear knockoff should have exploded the moment it met his shield, not drill through several layers of metal and haurchefaunt only to fizzle and never appear again. Zepherain never uses that move in normal or extreme.

But it was not possible in HW to block magic attacks, they added that only later with SB release o.o/

Also the move is used in Thordan extreme. https://youtu.be/UkCyy4z0CHM?t=580

[Iscah]

They did just give us another DPS. Trust npcs came and went with the story, so it's not a for sure thing. Also, dungeons are sort of timecapsuled to when they come out. If you, say, kill Urianger he's still up for shb dungeons. Just no longer available for anything beyond.

I think any character currently in the dps slot isn't safe.

They did specifically say (and it makes sense) that they're adding Estinien to compensate for the lack of melee DPS trusts, plus he's generally a popular and requested character. I wouldn't take his joining the trust group as a sign that they're angling to kill off one of the others, doubly so when Ryne isn't available for scenario mode.

On the other hand, Lyse is another would-be candidate to fill a melee DPS slot, and she hasn't gotten the job... though it could still happen in future, of course. One way or the other, they're not going to announce her as a trust right now when the last chapter ended with a cliffhanger as to whether she's okay.