!! Fix Healer Rescue

[Doozer]

I don't think anyone is denying that rescue can be useful if used correctly, it's just a skill that gets misused a lot or even used by healers to troll by pulling people into mechanics and then refusing to heal them.

People can troll in plenty of ways, and even if they changed Rescue they'd just find another way anyway. It's a band-aid solution. People should be further encouraged to report trolling and griefing in order to deter or punish people. There seems to be a weird "don't be a snitch" mentality in-game and on the forums, but if someone breaks the rules and it negatively affects your play, you have the right to report them. People claim they're afraid to speak because they'll be reported, so maybe make them afraid to troll lest they be reported?

Misuse of a skill does not mean it should be changed. If a WHM uses Bene on a GNB and they use Superbolide "for teh lulz", does that mean Superbolide should just be deleted because it's used to troll? No. It should be changed because it's not the best Panic Button for tanks, but that's irrelevant.

I've saved people countless times by pulling them out of danger or into mechanics they need to do. Allowing them to toggle it to prevent them from being rescued is more of a troll move because they could be actively affecting the outcome of the fight by refusing to be helped.

I think I've seen 1 troll use of Rescue for every 99 actual helpful uses of it. It's not that widespread, it's just the community's current Bogeyman.

[Dogempire]

People can troll in plenty of ways, and even if they changed Rescue they'd just find another way anyway. It's a band-aid solution. People should be further encouraged to report trolling and griefing in order to deter or punish people. There seems to be a weird "don't be a snitch" mentality in-game and on the forums, but if someone breaks the rules and it negatively affects your play, you have the right to report them. People claim they're afraid to speak because they'll be reported, so maybe make them afraid to troll lest they be reported?

Misuse of a skill does not mean it should be changed. If a WHM uses Bene on a GNB and they use Superbolide "for teh lulz", does that mean Superbolide should just be deleted because it's used to troll? No. It should be changed because it's not the best Panic Button for tanks, but that's irrelevant.

I've saved people countless times by pulling them out of danger or into mechanics they need to do. Allowing them to toggle it to prevent them from being rescued is more of a troll move because they could be actively affecting the outcome of the fight by refusing to be helped.

I think I've seen 1 troll use of Rescue for every 99 actual helpful uses of it. It's not that widespread, it's just the community's current Bogeyman.

You can't really compare rescue to superbolide. When superbolide gets used the tank makes a conscious choice to reduce their hp to 1 for that 10s of immunity. The drawback is the 1 hp, the benefit is the 10 seconds of damage immunity, a smart tank weighs those 2 before using it.

Rescue has no drawbacks for the caster, when it gets used the target doesn't get a choice on if they go to where the healer wants them to go or not. There's no interaction, no choice or drawback, you just lose control over your character for however long at the whim of the healer casting it.

[Doozer]

You can't really compare rescue to superbolide. When superbolide gets used the tank makes a conscious choice to reduce their hp to 1 for that 10s of immunity. The drawback is the 1 hp, the benefit is the 10 seconds of damage immunity, a smart tank weighs those 2 before using it.

Rescue has no drawbacks for the caster, when it gets used the target doesn't get a choice on if they go to where the healer wants them to go or not. There's no interaction, no choice or drawback, you just lose control over your character for however long at the whim of the healer casting it.

You've fixated on the wrong thing in my post, so I guess there's nothing I can do for you. Sorry mate.

[technole]

You can't really compare rescue to superbolide. When superbolide gets used the tank makes a conscious choice to reduce their hp to 1 for that 10s of immunity. The drawback is the 1 hp, the benefit is the 10 seconds of damage immunity, a smart tank weighs those 2 before using it.

Rescue has no drawbacks for the caster, when it gets used the target doesn't get a choice on if they go to where the healer wants them to go or not. There's no interaction, no choice or drawback, you just lose control over your character for however long at the whim of the healer casting it.

Second poster already answered your concern.

if you don't want to be rescued just use arms length, otherwise get over it..

[Goodin]

I agree. A toggle check box for allowing people to rescue you would be wonderful. You cant anticipate stupidity, and i dont have infinate charges of arms length to offset stupidity. The frustration at times is real and a majority of times in my experience healers just use this to troll in dungeons anyway. Used properly its great, but relying on 100% of the player base to use it appropriately is not just not realistic. Thumbs up for toggle box

[Theodric]

Some degree of interaction between player characters is to be expected in group content. There's a pretty lengthy cooldown on Rescue, too, so even in situations where it is being used to annoy someone it isn't as though it can be abused in rapid succession.

Again, I'd rather not see such a very useful ability be made less valuable or removed from the game. It's saved my character's life more times than I can count, especially in PvP.

[Awha]

I do think if rescue had a short CD thus could be used more people would get use to it, Fact it has such a long CD and is rarely used by man I feel makes it jarring for some when it happens.

[ReynTime]

In 7 years playing this, I've had rescue being used in me probably 9 or 10 times. Of those, 1 time actually saved me. The other interrupted my rotations half a second before causing me to die because I was pulled INTO aoes.

if you don't want to be rescued just use arms length, otherwise get over it..

This is a dumb argument. I'm not wasting arm's length in player actions when I use it for boss actions (which apparently a lot of people forget are a thing).

[Doozer]

In 7 years playing this, I've had rescue being used in me probably 9 or 10 times. Of those, 1 time actually saved me. The other interrupted my rotations half a second before causing me to die because I was pulled INTO aoes.

That's funny, because I've been playing for just as long and I've only had one or two be annoying or trolling. I've had a few helpful Rescues out of AoEs when I was doing LB as well. I've also used Rescue countless times and the only time anyone ever died during it was when I clicked it too late but they would've died anyway (like in Engels when it damages half the fight area, I might've tried to pull them out of it but was too late and it made no difference at all).

So which of us is right?

[Miracle_Diva]

Half of the people who posted here sound like rescue has no CD at all.
You can misuse any skill and it will somehow harm the group:
using CDs at the wrong time and when it's not needed causing you to lose dps (especially bad on dps checks);
using wrong heals (like single target heals instead of group heals) and let your group die;
etc.
From my personal in game experience, there's nothing wrong with letting a random healer to rescue you. It could be a missclick, healer is about to cast AOE heal and you're too far, you're about to get hit and they don't know if you can take it.
And of course if you are being constantly rescued on CD, you ask them to stop and they still continue - report them, it is harassment.
Rescue is a very useful skill, it helps a lot when you know how and when to use it. Nothing bad with being rescued when the healer had no bad intent behind it.