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    PikoAliapoh's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    If there's a setting to turn off rescue, then everyone will turn off rescue, and the skill will be dead. No one will bother using it, because they'll know it won't work.
    There are plenty of cases where people would leave it on and use it. Statics and prog for one.

    Seems like people aren't reading my whole post and just cherry picking things to shoot back at.

    Again:
    "When I'm partying with friends and trusted players, or if I'm running new content that others are more experienced with... I'm 100% happy to be rescued by a healer.

    ...if I'm playing with trusted friends or more experienced players, I'm fine with letting them "Rescue" me, but in most PUGs, I'd rather control my own character than have a random stranger control my character for me with an ability."
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    The long CD combined with the shortness of actually being rescued means you aren’t losing control of your character but for an instant, seems there are bigger fish to fry, rescue is working as intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    If there's a setting to turn off rescue, then everyone will turn off rescue, and the skill will be dead. No one will bother using it, because they'll know it won't work.
    If everyone will turn off rescue because no one wants rescue used on them, then it should be dead.

    Statics and groups of friends do occasionally use it to for things like cancelling the animation lock on LB, or so I've heard, though, so sure, keep the ability around for cheeky crap like that. Just make it a toggle, and if the ability dies in PuGs and DF then that's what it deserved.
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    Last edited by Goji1639; 02-11-2021 at 04:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    If everyone will turn off rescue because no one wants rescue used on them, then it should be dead.

    Statics and groups of friends do occasionally use it to for things like cancelling the animation lock on LB, or so I've heard, though, so sure, keep the ability around for cheeky crap like that. Just make it a toggle, and if the ability dies in PuGs then that's what it deserved.
    If there was an option to exclude new players from your roulettes people would turn that on too. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to implement it.
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    Player Goji1639's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    If there was an option to exclude new players from your roulettes people would turn that on too. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to implement it.
    Players being excluded for being new is bad for the game. The excision of an ability everyone hates is good for the game.

    Rescue is a troll ability that's existence is only really justified in statics where everyone is 100% on the same page regarding it's use.

    Edit: It's kind of funny how the argument against a toggle is always "if there's an option to turn it off everyone would do it!" Even the people defending the ability are forced to acknowledge that everyone hates it.
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    Last edited by Goji1639; 02-11-2021 at 04:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    Players being excluded for being new is bad for the game. The excision of an ability everyone hates is good for the game.

    Rescue is a troll ability that's existence is only really justified in statics where everyone is 100% on the same page regarding it's use.
    I don't hate the ability. I've also never seen the ability abused in-game and I go through roulettes on a near daily basis.

    It may be a more common issue on the North American servers - though when I did play a character over there I didn't see it happen then, either - but if so, I don't see why Japanese and European players need to miss out on a valuable ability in their toolkits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    If there's a setting to turn off rescue, then everyone will turn off rescue, and the skill will be dead. No one will bother using it, because they'll know it won't work.
    If it's something most people would turn off if they could, then that obviously means that the ability should never be used outside of pre-made groups.
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    Yes, we should fix rescue! By giving it double the cast range, and it works around corners!

    I quite like the skill, unfortunate sometimes that it gets misused, but I would be sad if the skill got butchered to make it 'safe'. If it was a toggle I would hope the toggle was automatically switched to off (meaning you had to choose not to get rescued, not choose to get rescued). Another thought is that perhaps rescue doesn't "pull" you through anything as far as the game is concerned you're now on the Healer's mark (reducing issues where you get hit with loads of stuff, keep the visual though :P).
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    Yet in statics, everyone should know where they're supposed to be. Outside of some very niche scenarios such as rescuing a melee dps to move them while in animation lock when using Limit Break, there's no real need for it.

    Randoms in Duty Finder however, is where you'll encounter people who don't know what they're doing and who you will need to rescue.

    I get it. I was literally just rescued in Orbonne, when I was completely safe where I was to begin with. I've been rescued before in dungeons as a Paladin, using Hallowed Ground to eat AoEs from trash mobs, so I was perfectly safe where I was.
    I still wouldn't want to turn off rescue, or have others turn it off.

    It seems like people don't read your whole post when they don't break the whole thing down and refute every single sentence one by one?
    Maybe it seems like you don't handle rejection of your opinions so well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    It seems like people don't read your whole post when they don't break the whole thing down and refute every single sentence one by one?
    Maybe it seems like you don't handle rejection of your opinions so well.
    You're 100% correct! When someone responds with a one line reply that doesn't directly relate to what I've outlined in my explanation and reasoning for making a suggestion, I don't handle it well. Especially when the comment ignores points I already made in my OP to address it.

    It definitely helps clarify points being made and aids in having a constructive conversation when people reply to something that's been said *sagenod*
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