6.0 Story Speculations

[Beddict]

• There are some interesting lines from Gaia at the end of Eden about Gaia potentially being able to cross to the Source. Since Minfilia had the power to cross between worlds as the Oracle, could Ryne have a similar power?

They'd have to figure out a way to bring their bodies across is the only thing. Ardbert and co. mentioned in Patch 3.4 that the only way they could travel across the Rift was by sacrificing their bodies to travel as souls, and Emet-Selch was sitting there wondering how the hell the Exarch managed to truly bring the WoL across. They may be able to figure out a method using information in the Crystal Tower, but it would probably involve recreating The Tycoon. Still, would be nice to see an older Ryne pop up during the final battle.

[Turethir]

They'd have to figure out a way to bring their bodies across is the only thing. Ardbert and co. mentioned in Patch 3.4 that the only way they could travel across the Rift was by sacrificing their bodies to travel as souls, and Emet-Selch was sitting there wondering how the hell the Exarch managed to truly bring the WoL across. They may be able to figure out a method using information in the Crystal Tower, but it would probably involve recreating The Tycoon. Still, would be nice to see an older Ryne pop up during the final battle.

Absolutely true - I think they could get creative with the writing and make it happen, since Ryne's unusual in her merging with Minfilia. Y'shtola says that her aether took on a golden hue, and I don't think we truly know the extent of the powers she has at this point. I know they've said that a lot of the characters we've met along the way would be making appearances in Endwalker and it would be cool if Ryne could be a part of that.

[HiraishinNoJutsu]

Very Lukewarm prediction that turn into me spiraling and trying to predict Endwalkers pacing! Media Tour Spoilers

Media Tour Information shows that Thavnair has sections with both level 80 and 85 monsters

which explains why we go from peaceful tropics


To an "Asura induced" Hellscape


The Tower of Zot dungeon that takes place at Level 81 also includes Krile. This means that we have to make contact with her at some point before we enter the Thavnarian Tower.

My Rough Guess for the Zone ordering Endwalker is going to follow is something like this:

Early Zone Split to avoid Congestion at Level 80 = Labyrinthos/Thavnair. The former is unwilling to intervene regardless of circumstance while the latter won't bet on our side because they are dealing with their own crisis that we must solve if were to make any progress.

Tower of Zot = Level 81 first dungeon

Levels 82-83 are us going to the heart of the problem = Garlemald. WoL and the Scions decide they can't wait forever/Hear disturbing news of Garlemald so we decide to bring the fight to Zenos. We realize he and Fandaniel have moved elsewhere to enact chaos and proceed with the next phase of their plan.

Level 84 we need information to deal with the massive tower or need a way to get to the moon = Mysterious Floating Islands/ Zeal is that you?. We learn some damning information about Sharlayan that explicitly shows they are related in some way to Amaurot. (Hydaelyn propoganda machine? Nyunkrepf was an Ascian all along? Who knows!) but before we can act on this info

Level 85 Distress call from our near eastern allies! = Return to Thavnair arc. We have to put out all the smoke and fires that the unknown Thavnarian enemy has caused. With this issue solved and Radz-at-Hans full support we can finally direct all our focus towards the nation of scholars

Levels 86-87 confrontation with Sharlayan = Return to the Old World arc. Info we learned from "Zeal" is put bare face in front of the Forum, somehow convince Fourchenault to quit having such a stick up his ... and we devise a means to permanently deal with Fanny and the Thicc man.

With Sharlayan convinced that the world really is gonna blow up for good this time we devise a means to get to space Level 88 = The moon and Mare Lamentorum. We learn some Ancient Lore and probably why Fandaniel is the way he is and with all that put to bed

Levels 89-90 = Final Zone we don't know about. I am not even gonna try to predict the ending of the Hydaelyn and Zodiark Saga I just pray that it's wrapped up in satisfyingly and respects the journey we have been on

Opinions? This is very VERY barebones as it doesn't factor in specific story beats at all or key characters we need to meet like mysterious white haired lady that's probably Venat or Vrtra but I am still immensely curious on how you guys think the story will pace itself out

[KageTokage]

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That's largely the path of progression I was expecting, though I'm thinking we'll probably deal with both the second half of Thavnair and Labyrinthos before we head off into the remaining Ancient-focused zones of Endwalker.

Northeastern Thavnair has level 84-85 enemies so it seems more probable we're going to there straight after things "get crazy" (As Yoshi P put it) with the conclusion of Garlemald; which I'd assume entails disabling the threat of the towers by destroying the "dreamer"/Anima, but it still fulfilling its ultimate purpose of opening the "gate of the gods" and unleashing the Final Days upon the world.

[Veloran]

Would be interested to hear your thoughts!

Aside from the technical hurdles of bringing Ryne to the Source, there's the narrative issue of aging up the rest of the First alongside her. If the writers ever want to take up plotpoints from the First or have us return for any other content, it will be awkward to have to age every other character like Ryne. They could maybe get away with five years and not need to update any of the older characters, but the more time you add the more changes you'd need to account for.

[Turethir]

Aside from the technical hurdles of bringing Ryne to the Source, there's the narrative issue of aging up the rest of the First alongside her. If the writers ever want to take up plotpoints from the First or have us return for any other content, it will be awkward to have to age every other character like Ryne. They could maybe get away with five years and not need to update any of the older characters, but the more time you add the more changes you'd need to account for.

Yeah, I'd imagine only a short timeskip (five years or so). Any more than that and you'll have problems.

[Yuella]

Would love to see that Apothecary Mystel girl grow up too.

[KageTokage]

Well, the offical Endwalker website confirmed

that the Magus Sisters are indeed going to be a trial, so I'm thinking my suspicion of the Tower of Zot versions just being cheap lunar knock-offs instead of the "real" deals in the full game is likely.

It just further makes me question when that trial would happen, though, since level ranges suggest Thavnair part 2 is seemingly right after Garlemald (Where we're likely already going to square off against Anima due to 83 being a very typical level for a trial), and I can't see the sisters fitting anywhere else in the story.

That would leave us without a trial boss for a very long time...unless it turns out we actually have more trials then the norm of three this time around.

[JeanneOrnitier]

The Pandaemonium description from the site

Far beneath the ground upon which mortals tread, steeped in darkness deep as starless night, ancient power lies dormant. Too hungry, too brutal, too monstrous─what cannot be controlled must be contained, here, in Pandæmonium. Dare you make the descent?

The description of being deep beneath the earth makes it sound like this will deal with the Terminus stuff, but a) I feel like that would be MSQ territory, and b) the Lahabrea image makes me think these sealed away monsters are things he created instead.

[GoldStarz]

Well, the offical Endwalker website confirmed

that the Magus Sisters are indeed going to be a trial, so I'm thinking my suspicion of the Tower of Zot versions just being cheap lunar knock-offs instead of the "real" deals in the full game is likely.

It just further makes me question when that trial would happen, though, since level ranges suggest Thavnair part 2 is seemingly right after Garlemald (Where we're likely already going to square off against Anima due to 83 being a very typical level for a trial), and I can't see the sisters fitting anywhere else in the story.

That would leave us without a trial boss for a very long time...unless it turns out we actually have more trials then the norm of three this time around.

People are taking the wording way too literally. A quick search reveals that it's inconsistent across different languages, nothing is actually confirmed yet.