6.0 Story Speculations

[Tensaihime]

Or maybe say : “yeah, we’ll remember you, as an example of what NOT to do.”

The sass in this thread has gone up 150% and I’m loving it -I think this is my favorite response.

And hadn’t he just sworn to purge US from the annals of history? The brass balls on this Ascian!

edit: I’ve had another look at the last couple pages, and I want to point out I’ve liked Vauthry since day one; I like Yotsuyu and Nidhogg despite their backstories totally not justifying all the crap they’ve done; and I started liking Fordola long before I knew we’d be fighting together. I just think it’s a crock that I was being talked at about “common ground” this and “remembrance” that while the other side clearly stated he didn’t even see me as alive, and my character was forced to show him a courtesy he explicitly swore he would deny me.

[Lauront]

I'll remember them for what they were, the civilization they built and the wonders they created, the people THEY were, not what the three who lingered on for far too long became.

I'll remember them all, as will a lot of people apparently, seeing as where Emet-Selch sits in character popularity. Perhaps some people care a lot less about these rather insular debates about "morals" posted on here, which ring rather hollow with me, and simply enjoy the character for the impression they left upon them and their story.

I'll also remember the ancient who sundered the world and every life upon it, of course. Even if she'd prefer us not to.

Speaking of which... her mask first, upside down; Hashmal's (=Fandaniel's Scion of Darkness counterpart) sigil, upside down.





Quite keen to see how they might be connected.

[EaraGrace]

I'll remember them all, as will a lot of people apparently, seeing as where Emet-Selch sits in character popularity. Perhaps some people care a lot less about these rather insular debates about "morals" posted on here, which ring rather hollow with me, and simply enjoy the character for the impression they left upon them and their story.

I'll also remember the ancient who sundered the world and every life upon it, of course. Even if she'd prefer us not to.

Speaking of which... her mask first, upside down; Hashmal's (=Fandaniel's Scion of Darkness counterpart) sigil, upside down.





Quite keen to see how they might be connected.

A bit of a reach. An upside down, symmetrical floral pattern is about all they share.

Hell if it looks like anything it’s

[KizuyaKatogami]

A bit of a reach. An upside down, symmetrical floral pattern is about all they share.

Hell if it looks like anything it’s

Definitely don’t think it’s a stretch considering this:

"Venat" is derived from Latin word venari, meaning "to hunt". In ancient Persian mythology, Venant (Vanant) is one of the Four Royal Stars (modern designation Regulus) who worked for the good under Ahura Mazda, is the guardian of the summer solstice, and is known as the Watcher of the North.



Regulus UK: /ˈrɛɡˌjulʊs/ US: /ˈrɛɡˌjʊlʊsˌ/, designated α Leonis (Latinized to Alpha Leonis, abbreviated Alpha Leo, α Leo), is the brightest object in the constellation Leo and one of the brightest stars in the night sky, lying approximately 79 light years from the Sun. Regulus appears singular, but is actually a quadruple star system composed of four stars that are organized into two pairs. The spectroscopic binary Regulus A consists of a blue-white main-sequence star and its companion, which has not yet been directly observed, but is probably a white dwarf. HD 87884 is separated from Regulus by 176″ and is itself a close pair. Regulus, along with five slightly dimmer stars (Zeta Leonis, Mu Leonis, Gamma Leonis, Epsilon Leonis, and Eta Leonis) have collectively been called 'the Sickle', which is an asterism that marks the head of Leo.

[EaraGrace]

Definitely don’t think it’s a stretch considering this:

"Venat" is derived from Latin word venari, meaning "to hunt". In ancient Persian mythology, Venant (Vanant) is one of the Four Royal Stars (modern designation Regulus) who worked for the good under Ahura Mazda, is the guardian of the summer solstice, and is known as the Watcher of the North.



Regulus UK: /ˈrɛɡˌjulʊs/ US: /ˈrɛɡˌjʊlʊsˌ/, designated α Leonis (Latinized to Alpha Leonis, abbreviated Alpha Leo, α Leo), is the brightest object in the constellation Leo and one of the brightest stars in the night sky, lying approximately 79 light years from the Sun. Regulus appears singular, but is actually a quadruple star system composed of four stars that are organized into two pairs. The spectroscopic binary Regulus A consists of a blue-white main-sequence star and its companion, which has not yet been directly observed, but is probably a white dwarf. HD 87884 is separated from Regulus by 176″ and is itself a close pair. Regulus, along with five slightly dimmer stars (Zeta Leonis, Mu Leonis, Gamma Leonis, Epsilon Leonis, and Eta Leonis) have collectively been called 'the Sickle', which is an asterism that marks the head of Leo.

I was specifically commenting on the design of her mask, which still doesn’t really match Fandaniels symbol any more than the rest of the Convocation.

On the matter of Venat, unless someone has a source that says this, the origin of that name in 12 has never been explained. That’s speculation from the FF wiki I’m pretty sure. But even if it was, the very game that introduced Venat, Fandaniel and the association with the Leo constellation is also the same game that made absolutely no connection between those characters.

While it is certainly possible Endwalker will introduce new plot points that may make this “connection” a thing, it’s tenuous right now at best. Neither Fandaniel nor Venat have much cause to work together given their goals as we understand them and their actions so far in the story.

Maybe Endwalker will turn that all on it’s head!

Maybe the moon will turn out to be cheese.

[Kesey]

Definitely don’t think it’s a stretch considering this:

"Venat" is derived from Latin word venari, meaning "to hunt". In ancient Persian mythology, Venant (Vanant) is one of the Four Royal Stars (modern designation Regulus) who worked for the good under Ahura Mazda, is the guardian of the summer solstice, and is known as the Watcher of the North.



Regulus UK: /ˈrɛɡˌjulʊs/ US: /ˈrɛɡˌjʊlʊsˌ/, designated α Leonis (Latinized to Alpha Leonis, abbreviated Alpha Leo, α Leo), is the brightest object in the constellation Leo and one of the brightest stars in the night sky, lying approximately 79 light years from the Sun. Regulus appears singular, but is actually a quadruple star system composed of four stars that are organized into two pairs. The spectroscopic binary Regulus A consists of a blue-white main-sequence star and its companion, which has not yet been directly observed, but is probably a white dwarf. HD 87884 is separated from Regulus by 176″ and is itself a close pair. Regulus, along with five slightly dimmer stars (Zeta Leonis, Mu Leonis, Gamma Leonis, Epsilon Leonis, and Eta Leonis) have collectively been called 'the Sickle', which is an asterism that marks the head of Leo.

I think the easiest association and, this may be the intended reference, is Venat meaning "to hunt" is referring to Sagittarius, which is symbolized by the hunter or an arrow. Qualities associated with Sagittarius include independence, unerring judgment, loyalty, and independence. Now given what little we know of Venat, all those qualities fit a person who had to think outside the lines of their society, make a decision for the life remaining on the planet and summon another god to balance or correct another god. I think the symbolism isn't lost here.

Furthermore, the new 24 man is going to deal with the entities referred to as "The Twelve." Numerous threads have posited that "The Twelve" are the followers of Venat (the one recording literally shows 12 of them with Venat). I think with the addition of places like Sharlayan (full of scholars) and Thavnairia (birthplace of the Zodiac weapons), coming to the end of story with all of the Hydealyn/Zodiark secrets revealed puts us in a situation where we can't rule out "The Twelve" are based off of our real life zodiac, are connected to the ancients that summoned Hydaelyn with Venat, and are again associated with WOLs who have also carried legendary weapons and saved the world numerous times in the past.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I was specifically commenting on the design of her mask, which still doesn’t really match Fandaniels symbol any more than the rest of the Convocation.

On the matter of Venat, unless someone has a source that says this, the origin of that name in 12 has never been explained. That’s speculation from the FF wiki I’m pretty sure. But even if it was, the very game that introduced Venat, Fandaniel and the association with the Leo constellation is also the same game that made absolutely no connection between those characters.

While it is certainly possible Endwalker will introduce new plot points that may make this “connection” a thing, it’s tenuous right now at best. Neither Fandaniel nor Venat have much cause to work together given their goals as we understand them and their actions so far in the story.

Maybe Endwalker will turn that all on it’s head!

Maybe the moon will turn out to be cheese.

Well the designs resemble each other pretty well if you look at the top of the glyph and then the arrow-like shape on her mask. Even have the same circular connections as well. Regarding the name...it’s Latin. It’s a language. That’s the origin lmao.Also, they’ve never directly taken things out from past games without incorporating it with 14’s style, so comparing it to 12 doesn’t make much sense to me as there will obviously be a spin on it. We literally no next to nothing about both Venat and Fandaniel however the thing i posted is a bit too eerie.

In regards to Kesey(can’t quote on mobile), i think it’s much more likely the Twelve are related to the convocation, not venat’s summoners. Nald Thal is very eerily similar to Emet-Selch/Hades. There are other similarities to the convocation as well but it’s a long post lol.Iirc though, Sagittarius is already taken by Igeyorhm, aka a convocation member.

[Theodric]

I have my doubts that Venat will be anything but deceptive, manipulative and shady. She might 'mean well' but then so too did Venat's counterpart in FFXII where, equally, her intervention led to disaster and mass destruction. A familiar concept, come to think of it...given that the same thing can be attributed to Venat in FFXIV as well.

Between FFXIV being a love letter to the Ivalice games on many fronts as well as embracing many classic JRPG tropes, I'm certainly not buying the 'benevolent mother' act anytime soon!

[EaraGrace]

Well the designs resemble each other pretty well if you look at the top of the glyph and then the arrow-like shape on her mask. Even have the same circular connections as well. Regarding the name...it’s Latin. It’s a language. That’s the origin lmao.Also, they’ve never directly taken things out from past games without incorporating it with 14’s style, so comparing it to 12 doesn’t make much sense to me as there will obviously be a spin on it. We literally no next to nothing about both Venat and Fandaniel however the thing i posted is a bit too eerie.

Venat is not a word in Latin, my point is that it’s connection to Venari and Latin is possible, but unless someone has a source it’s an entirely phonetic connection. Same thing with the Persian Royal Stars.

And I agree, they always put a spin on it. I’m saying however that unless there’s more to the connection, then the name itself is not enough as we already have an example of a game not placing any importance on it.

To illustrate what I mean:

From what I read, Venat was not Venat in the Japanese version of 12 but Venus, a planet associated with Taurus. Yet I don’t think it’s a good argument to say there’s a deep connection between Mitron and Venat because of that.

It’s always possible Endwalker will make that connection. I’m just saying it’s a reach.

I have my doubts that Venat will be anything but deceptive, manipulative and shady. She might 'mean well' but then so too did Venat's counterpart in FFXII where, equally, her intervention led to disaster and mass destruction. A familiar concept, come to think of it...given that the same thing can be attributed to Venat in FFXIV as well.

We’re heading back into to moral argument territory, but given what Venat was fighting for I’d hardly say they just “meant well” given they helped overthrow their siblings who had been manipulating the world to their whims for thousands of years. Hell the biggest mistake was choosing an insane scientist and a glory hound for allies. If only 15 had someone like Venat helping the party.

[KizuyaKatogami]

We’re heading back into to moral argument territory, but given what Venat was fighting for I’d hardly say they just “meant well” given they helped overthrow their siblings who had been manipulating the world to their whims for thousands of years. Hell the biggest mistake was choosing an insane scientist and a glory hound for allies. If only 15 had someone like Venat helping the party.

It's shown that what Venat did ended up damning the world. The Occuria typically let mankind do what they wanted unless it resulted in putting themselves in danger, in which they would intervene to prevent them from killing themselves. We see the effects of what she did in that it slowly made magic disappear, which they even remark upon in 12-2 as a very negative thing. She wasnt a good person by any means, she just thought she had good intentions but in reality she damned the world. Who she allied with didnt really change much as it had the same outcome either way whether she did ally with them or not.