6.0 Story Speculations

[Riastrad]

A post of mine from a few months ago.

I would hazard to guess that Azem became Hydaelyn's chosen almost immediately after the fracture. Something of a final wish, a wanting almost, by Venat in their final moments before the summoning was carried out, made manifest by Hydaelyn.

I also have to ask. Was Venat (the T is silent right?) the Nhamaa to Azem's Azim? Without going into bad fanfiction of course, what could the possible connection be between that legend to the "real events" of the final days?

Hien: Aye. I would know more of the Oronir─of their creation, and of Father Azim.

Udutai: As you wish. Come, let us sit.

Udutai: Before we begin, tell me: what do you know of the Au Ra, and how they came to be?

[“In the days before men, Azim and Nhaama waged a bitter war…”]

Udutai: Yes, yes. A common tale, and one believed by many tribes.

Udutai: But what it does not mention is this: Azim and Nhaama were lovers.

Udutai: Oh, they fought in the beginning, as did their creations. That much is true. But when they saw how the Xaela and the Raen rose above their hatreds and joined hands in harmony, their hearts stirred, and the love their children shared became theirs as well.

Udutai: Alas, he was of the sun and she of the moon. Apart they must remain, lest day and night cease to be, and with them all creation.

Udutai: With sadness in their hearts they returned to the heavens─he to the day, she to the night, destined to walk before and after, never to meet.

Udutai: As time passed, Azim’s yearning for his beloved grew deeper still. Was there truly naught that could be done, he wondered. At last, he knew.

Udutai: “If the Father cannot be with the Mother, then he shall go amongst her children. Now and ever after.“

Udutai: So it was that Azim took a fragment of his being and with it fashioned an avatar. Clad in scale of midnight, he descended, and sought out the Xaela.

Udutai: Yea, he was the first Oronir. We are of his flesh and his blood. We are the children of Azim, and it is our duty to watch over and keep the Xaela safe.

Hien: …I confess, I did not expect the tale of your people’s beginnings to be quite so romantic.

Hien: Yet I must ask: if it is your duty to defend the Xaela, how can you go to war with them in the Naadam? Is that not a contradiction?

Udutai: If a father disciplines his son, does that mean there is no love in his heart? Xaela are not wont to kneel. They must be made to─only then will they heed reason.

Hien: I see… Such is the way of the Steppe.

Hien: Thank you, elder, for sharing with us your wisdom.

The myriad creation myths should be scrutinized further leading up to the next expansion. This one in particular is part of the Auri creation mythos as told to us upon our arrival to the Dawn Throne. I have to wonder if the Sun and Moon are actually actually powered up versions of the spell Louisoix and Papalyamo used to contain the whatever caused the end of days and/or Zodiark. I guess what I am saying is, according to this myth Azem fashioned an avatar to be among He and Nhaama's children. Would that mean he became the heart of a summon himself?

[EaraGrace]

My bad if I phrased that awkwardly but I was wondering how does Azem go from opposing Hydaelyn to his souls reincarnation on two different shards becoming valiant Warriors of Light? Being called Champion of Hydaelyn seems a full 180 no?

I think that has more to do with how Hydaelyn views the sundered rather than her specific views on us. Titles like The Mother Crystal further push the idea that Hydaelyn sees herself as the mother, protector, and shepherd to the sundered, in contrast to the the unsundered who are their manipulators, rulers and destroyers. On top of that, Azems soul is probably not the only one she can connect to an Ancient she knew, so she probably has had many experiences to demonstrate why she shouldn’t connect the original Ancient with the person with the soul now. Beloved is also likely just an acknowledgment on how we, more than anyone, have received her blessings and support.

[GoldStarz]

I was referring to this part of Heavensward after we fully restore the blessing of light and Midgard lets us on his back after we're deemed worthy

"Warrior of Light. Beloved son. The Light abideth within thy heart again. Full valiantly didst thou overcome thy many trials. But glory not in thy success. For the servants of Darkness are ever close at hand. Receive of me my blessing once more, And go forth, to shine thy Light on all creation."

My bad if I phrased that awkwardly but I was wondering how does Azem go from opposing Hydaelyn to his souls reincarnation on two different shards becoming valiant Warriors of Light? Being called Champion of Hydaelyn seems a full 180 no?

Well, that's kinda the thing. WoL and Ardbert aren't Azem, just like Gaia isn't Loghrif. They're all reincarnations and they've all inherited some traits from their predecessors, but all of them are individuals and have their own individual choices. I imagine even if Hydaelyn holds animosity towards Azem is aware that WoL is a shard of him, it doesn't affect their judgement of us much.

[RyuDragnier]

I was referring to this part of Heavensward after we fully restore the blessing of light and Midgard lets us on his back after we're deemed worthy

"Warrior of Light. Beloved son. The Light abideth within thy heart again. Full valiantly didst thou overcome thy many trials. But glory not in thy success. For the servants of Darkness are ever close at hand. Receive of me my blessing once more, And go forth, to shine thy Light on all creation."

My bad if I phrased that awkwardly but I was wondering how does Azem go from opposing Hydaelyn to his souls reincarnation on two different shards becoming valiant Warriors of Light? Being called Champion of Hydaelyn seems a full 180 no?

Not necessarily a 180. If you consider Hydaelyn the current Will of the Planet, then anyone and everything living on the planet is currently one of the children under her care.

[HiraishinNoJutsu]

Well, that's kinda the thing. WoL and Ardbert aren't Azem, just like Gaia isn't Loghrif. They're all reincarnations and they've all inherited some traits from their predecessors, but all of them are individuals and have their own individual choices.

I truly do dig it and find it incredibly amusing! It's almost kinda funny in a "coming full circle" kind of way that even when sundered, a shard of Azem with their own lives and dreams will reject a nations of scholars who hide themselves at the end of the world. I fully expect one of the scions to drop Fourchenault with the bomb that was Louisoix's last words to him.

"To ignore the plight of those one might conceivably save is not wisdom─it is indolence."

[RyuDragnier]

I truly do dig it and find it incredibly amusing! It's almost kinda funny in a "coming full circle" kind of way that even when sundered, a shard of Azem with their own lives and dreams will reject a nations of scholars who hide themselves at the end of the world. I fully expect one of the scions to drop Fourchenault with the bomb that was Louisoix's last words to him.

"To ignore the plight of those one might conceivably save is not wisdom─it is indolence."

I suspect it'll be Alphinaud if anybody utters those words. Remember, both him and Alisaie were there at the end of Coil with us, nobody else.

[YianKutku]

I suspect it'll be Alphinaud if anybody utters those words. Remember, both him and Alisaie were there at the end of Coil with us, nobody else.

To be scrupulously fair, the Leveilleurs have given the impression through dialogue that the statement is probably one of Louisoix's favourite sayings, and Louisoix never misses a chance to use it.

So Fourchenault's reaction would probably be something along the lines of rolling his eyes (but probably not actually rolling his eyes, as that would be impolite and un-Sharlayan) and going "yes, I've heard that one before."

[EaraGrace]

To be scrupulously fair, the Leveilleurs have given the impression through dialogue that the statement is probably one of Louisoix's favourite sayings, and Louisoix never misses a chance to use it.

So Fourchenault's reaction would probably be something along the lines of rolling his eyes (but probably not actually rolling his eyes, as that would be impolite and un-Sharlayan) and going "yes, I've heard that one before."

I am eagerly looking forward to the scene where Fourchenault and the twins have an argument that ends with Fourchenault realizing how much he regrets letting them spend so much time with pop pop.

Actually, I wonder. Ishikawa, I believe, somewhere said that players should go back through Coils as it’s one of the pieces of content that’ll play a role in Endwalker. Is Phoenix gonna come up or make an appearance? Perhaps the fact that an Archon became a primal may act as a deadlock breaker.

[MrThinker]

I am eagerly looking forward to the scene where Fourchenault and the twins have an argument that ends with Fourchenault realizing how much he regrets letting them spend so much time with pop pop.

Actually, I wonder. Ishikawa, I believe, somewhere said that players should go back through Coils as it’s one of the pieces of content that’ll play a role in Endwalker. Is Phoenix gonna come up or make an appearance? Perhaps the fact that an Archon became a primal may act as a deadlock breaker.

I think it's more so that the twins know their grandsire's will and have it play some part in addressing Fourchenault.

[EaraGrace]

I think it's more so that the twins know their grandsire's will and have it play some part in addressing Fourchenault.

Oh that’s a certainty, but given the fact that Coils largely explored not just their agreement with Louisoix but how far he went for his beliefs, becoming a primal and then expending his aether to help repair the land, I can’t help but wonder if that will be explicitly mentioned or discussed.