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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    Now that you mention it, Anima (or rather, the originating Fayth) in FFX was Seymour's mother, wasn't she? This is going to be "Mommy Issues: the Expac," isn't it?
    Summons in X have a lot of setting-specific metaphysics attached to them, but you are correct on both counts. (Aeons are dreams of the Fayth, with whom summoners need a contract to summon their associated aeon. Though Anima as an aeon never speaks, her Fayth does so to exposit Seymour's backstory and forge a contract with Yuna, and Seymour addresses Anima as if she were his mother if you summon her against Seymour Omnis.)

    The idea of Anima being linked to Fandaniel was fielded before, though I brushed it off due to his and Seymour's dispositions being wildly different. Knowing there's a character related to Fandaniel whose name was important enough to be redacted, though, now I can't help but wonder...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    The idea of Anima being linked to Fandaniel was fielded before, though I brushed it off due to his and Seymour's dispositions being wildly different. Knowing there's a character related to Fandaniel whose name was important enough to be redacted, though, now I can't help but wonder...
    Incidentally, when Yuma Uchida showed up at fanfest and got interviewed by Yoshi-P, it was ahead of his character having voiced lines or even a name. Even the alias "Crystal Exarch" ended up being a pretty big hint simply because the number of established male characters with ties to anything "crystal" was rather short to begin with. Which is to say, if they can't say anything, there's definitely a clue in there, though we may just be latching onto Anima because it's there.

    We can be sure somebody has serious mommy issues, though.
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    Don't focus on the female friend, it was just a word used as an example to show that son (meaning 'his' as well) can also refer to a female word if that one starts with a vowel.

    The word friend comes from 'amie' which they merely used as an example to show I'm wrong. Nothing about a friend is actually in the French text.

    And son can still refer to male as well, we just don't know yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RicaRuin View Post
    Don't focus on the female friend, it was just a word used as an example to show that son (meaning 'his' as well) can also refer to a female word if that one starts with a vowel.

    The word friend comes from 'amie' which they merely used as an example to show I'm wrong. Nothing about a friend is actually in the French text.

    And son can still refer to male as well, we just don't know yet.
    Makes a lot of sense. if i'm not wrong "sa" and "son" are essentially synonyms for each other one is just feminine while the other is masculine? I'm starting to think maybe those question marks were actually on the card :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiraishinNoJutsu View Post
    Makes a lot of sense. if i'm not wrong "sa" and "son" are essentially synonyms for each other one is just feminine while the other is masculine? I'm starting to think maybe those question marks were actually on the card :P
    My French is rusty, but basically it's like 'a' and 'an' in English. You use the female-gendered pronoun unless there's a vowel conflict.

    The question marks were almost certainly on the card, though. She's not Naoki "PR didn't approve this comment" Yoshida.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiraishinNoJutsu View Post
    Makes a lot of sense. if i'm not wrong "sa" and "son" are essentially synonyms for each other one is just feminine while the other is masculine? I'm starting to think maybe those question marks were actually on the card :P
    Completely unrelated linguistics tangent that nobody asked for (but I spent more than 3 semesters specifically learning): Quite a few of the romance languages (that is, those that evolved from Latin), have gendered pronouns and articles (el/ella/ello-la/el/lo-un/una in Spanish, il/elle-le/la-un/une in French); however, when a noun starts with a vowel, the feminine pronoun/article discards its final vowel to accomodate.

    This led to a very funny thing with the word "water": in Spanish it evolved from the Latin word aqua, and its infinitive form was "Illa aqua", over time the double A became bastardized and the result was "Il aqua". So in Spanish we use "El agua", in masculine, when talking about the singular, but "las aguas", in feminine, when using plural. It doesn't actually mean the word changes genders, as you'd still say "el agua clara" (the clear water), keeping the noun feminine and using the feminine form of the adjective, but the masculine form of the article.

    In THIS case, it's because French has two forms of the singular "his/her/their" pronoun. Which is kinda funny because the gender being pointed out in "sa/son" is the person/object being DESCRIBED, while in English it refers to the person/object it BELONGS to (well, belongs is the wrong word, but I'm struggling to translate it right now). "sa soeur" (his/her/their sister) is thus grammatically correct, but "son soeur" sounds weird. Apropos of nothing, in Spanish we only use the possesive "su" for singular, and "sus" for plural; no gender either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage View Post
    Completely unrelated linguistics tangent that nobody asked for (but I spent more than 3 semesters specifically learning): Quite a few of the romance languages (that is, those that evolved from Latin), have gendered pronouns and articles (el/ella/ello-la/el/lo-un/una in Spanish, il/elle-le/la-un/une in French); however, when a noun starts with a vowel, the feminine pronoun/article discards its final vowel to accomodate.

    This led to a very funny thing with the word "water": in Spanish it evolved from the Latin word aqua, and its infinitive form was "Illa aqua", over time the double A became bastardized and the result was "Il aqua". So in Spanish we use "El agua", in masculine, when talking about the singular, but "las aguas", in feminine, when using plural. It doesn't actually mean the word changes genders, as you'd still say "el agua clara" (the clear water), keeping the noun feminine and using the feminine form of the adjective, but the masculine form of the article.

    In THIS case, it's because French has two forms of the singular "his/her/their" pronoun. Which is kinda funny because the gender being pointed out in "sa/son" is the person/object being DESCRIBED, while in English it refers to the person/object it BELONGS to (well, belongs is the wrong word, but I'm struggling to translate it right now). "sa soeur" (his/her/their sister) is thus grammatically correct, but "son soeur" sounds weird. Apropos of nothing, in Spanish we only use the possesive "su" for singular, and "sus" for plural; no gender either way.
    This. This is why I didn't pay attention in french class even though its Canada's Second Language LMAO!

    This was a very insightful tangent none the less
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    Anima is almost certainly not going to exist in the same context it does in FF X. I'm thinking they chose to include it mostly because it matches the whole "doom and gloom" theme Endwalker has going on.

    I'm also really curious about who this individual related to Fandaniel is. If they're not simply a post-humous character driving his motivations, they could potentially be a co-conspirator; possibly even a higher authority he's answering to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    We can be sure somebody has serious mommy issues, though.
    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    Anima is almost certainly not going to exist in the same context it does in FF X. I'm thinking they chose to include it mostly because it matches the whole "doom and gloom" theme Endwalker has going on.
    While it's entirely possible Anima was included purely for her grim appearance, I don't (want to) believe that's the case - one of the things that makes Anima memorable is her personal connection to a major antagonist, and I just don't think they'd waste that kind of narrative potential and throw her in just because she's kind of scary looking.

    We do lack any sort of context, so at this point she could be just about anything... still, one can't help but grasp for connections given Anima's origin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    While it's entirely possible Anima was included purely for her grim appearance, I don't (want to) believe that's the case - one of the things that makes Anima memorable is her personal connection to a major antagonist, and I just don't think they'd waste that kind of narrative potential and throw her in just because she's kind of scary looking.

    We do lack any sort of context, so at this point she could be just about anything... still, one can't help but grasp for connections given Anima's origin.
    It could be that Anima becomes a physical manifestation of the Sound, or of the souls of the dead. Her trademark attack in FFX was Pain, with her finisher being Oblivion, after all. Both of which we saw were being brought to the ancient civilizations as the world itself was engulfed in fire and destruction.
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