I think I have an Idea of the next Melee Class!

[Lihtleita]

lads why are we talking about the rona this much

[Vickii]

I think the new job is whatever R’anjit was

[t0rn]

Final Fantasy
Finale
Endwalker!

Yeah, I’m just gonna take Yoshi’s ‘hints’ with a grain of salt.

[Liam_Harper]

The end boss of e12 was speculated to almost certainly be Ultimecia and many were convinced the 4th healer would be Chemist, with strong "hints" for both ingame. In Stormblood we thought we were getting dancer, but it turned out to be nothing to do with it and in Shadowbringers we thought we were literally becoming the Warrior of Darkness and going down the dark/corrupted path yet nothing of the sort happened.

Enix like to go out of their way to avoid the popular assumptions and "surprise" us with something different. For the healer they even went out of their way to create an entirely new class with a completely unique weapon.
I'm almost certain it won't be Reaper or Necromancer. It will be something no one expected. Possibly even another entirely new class unique to FF14.

[Ultimatecalibur]

The end boss of e12 was speculated to almost certainly be Ultimecia

The end boss of e12 was Artemisia/Ultimecia just not in a form we were expecting. Eden's Promise is based on a statue of Artemis and Oracle of Darkness uses many abilities that originated in FFVIII's final boss battle with Ultimecia.

and many were convinced the 4th healer would be Chemist, with strong "hints" for both ingame.

Chemist was for the most part the result of a red herring that concealed that the actual job hint in 5.3 was in the G-Warrior fight.

In Stormblood we thought we were getting dancer, but it turned out to be nothing to do with it

Some thought we would be getting dancer due to misinterpreting Lyse's dress and kata as the garb and movements of a dancer. A lot of people were actively pointing that out as wrong.

and in Shadowbringers we thought we were literally becoming the Warrior of Darkness and going down the dark/corrupted path yet nothing of the sort happened.

We did become the Warrior of Darkness fighting to take back the night from the forces of light. The assumption of a evil/corrupt path was where those speculating went wrong.

Enix like to go out of their way to avoid the popular assumptions and "surprise" us with something different. For the healer they even went out of their way to create an entirely new class with a completely unique weapon.

Sage is hardly a new class (the name originated in FFIII as the final and most powerful caster job) and the Nuoliths are not really original nor unique being based on a reoccurring weapon system in Japanese fantasy and sci-fi media (the Gundam meta series' bits/funnels/dragoons/fangs have existed since 1979).

I'm almost certain it won't be Reaper or Necromancer. It will be something no one expected. Possibly even another entirely new class unique to FF14.

With the shirt reveal they played up and into the Dark Knight and Necromancer speculation. It comes off, along with them pointing out the irregularity of the Maiming gear and the unknown job being a melee dps, more as an attempt to point the player base in a specific direction rather than truly obfuscate.

[Shougun]

The end boss of e12 was speculated to almost certainly be Ultimecia and many were convinced the 4th healer would be Chemist, with strong "hints" for both ingame. In Stormblood we thought we were getting dancer, but it turned out to be nothing to do with it and in Shadowbringers we thought we were literally becoming the Warrior of Darkness and going down the dark/corrupted path yet nothing of the sort happened.

Enix like to go out of their way to avoid the popular assumptions and "surprise" us with something different. For the healer they even went out of their way to create an entirely new class with a completely unique weapon.
I'm almost certain it won't be Reaper or Necromancer. It will be something no one expected. Possibly even another entirely new class unique to FF14.

I think this would be the most likely reason why it might not be a reaper, not some of the other reasons which seem like trying to find reasons why they don't want it to be one lol.

That said, Scarlet Witch = Red Mage was pretty on the nose wasn't it?

What about Bugs Bunny = Viera?

Those were massively obvious, wouldn't you say? Then we've Spiderman = Samurai which was a bit less obvious, for some, at the time (I was one of the bamboozled ones lol).

So yeah... could be.. but also.. yeah.. might not be lol. Yoshida has done us both ways, I did want to agree with you but I also wanted to be sure to throw a spanner in that just to make sure that it was stated the logic has gone entirely both ways (massively obvious, and then not so obvious). The only way I think I'd be like "seriously? That's lame" is if the shirt means either nothing or means something massively irrelevant and unimportant. For example announcing some minor enemy for the expansion = "...kay".

I still think while it might be reaper related that they wouldn't just call it something so... ... well like reaper. Should look into substitute names, and or other cultures like Japanese (for Doma), Middle Eastern / Indian (for Thavnarian), etc. While I had fun thinking of ways Necro like job might exist I never thought it'd be a necro (but might have some inspiration from the job since it was decently well polled a few times, surprisingly for a FF game). It's also why I thought (after Rymi's suggestion) we might get Ranjit inspiration since that character received, imo, abnormal attention to detail in terms of their abilities and also happens to fit a lot of boxes that we are sort of leaning to tick (dark, scythe, maiming armor, magic + melee, the eastern influence similar to the area we're going to be visiting, etc).

Also I want to say in my defense... the weapon type Sage uses I suggested similar concepts a few times in the forums; although, they weren't for healer lol. One was for Geomancer and one was inspired by Noctis (they were crystal weapons that looked like pylons, in my mind). Obviously not trying to take credit cause they also look like Gundam funnels and or some other characters. Just.. it was a suggestion in the forums too XD. (I've hoped SE goes for entirely weird weapons because I think they'd be quite neat over the 8th sword or another variant of an axe or something).

Assuming they're going as wild as Sage in concepts I'm pretty excited (not a healer main but it looks fun to play anyways, will certainly try it), I still really hope the dark imagery maintains for the job but I'm not certain it's really anything at the moment. Although I did really enjoy the whole psychopomp discussion and how it may relate into our relationship with Emet as Hades. Kind of hope it's true.

[GrumbleBeard]

Didn't they mention once before they wanted to include some kind of exorcist or onmyoji type class? Both have some ties to spirits passing on. I could see them making a kind of reverse red mage where it's mostly melee with a disengage to throw some spells. It being supposedly maiming gear makes it seem like a stretch for what I imagine the class to be though.

[Hank_Hotspur]

I was kind of disappointed by everyone jumping on the "Apothecary is a future job!" bandwagon from 5.3, particularly because it was addressing a story beat from 5.2 and people's reactions were the opposite of what was intended. Recall that 5.2 ended with everyone having a sudden drive to go out into The First and become "Warriors of Light" like Ardbert and his friends (this was later revealed to fuel Elidibus plan) and there was a fear that with everyone rushing out to play hero adventurer, there would be nobody around to actually make The First livable again. The First needed carpenters, doctors, merchants, guards, craftsmen, farmers, etc. much more than it needed "Warriors of Light" as we knew them. This was also the crux of 5.1 story in Eulmore, about how to get the Talos industry up and running again to help mend fences between settlements and literally mend places now the threat of certain extinction was over. 5.2 ends with a sort of bittersweet moment of our character wishing well a Hyur/Hume and Roegadyn/Galdjent on their path to becoming Warriors of Light but with the absence of two competent members of the Crystarium Guard being a concern.

Come 5.3, before Elidbus' final plot kicks off, we have a nice little arc with a Miqo'te/Mystel girl who wants to be a Warrior of Light but unlike the others we've seen, she doesn't want to run around as a fighting adventurer but as a traveling apothecary to treat the sick and tend the wounded. It was a relief for the scions and those worried about fixing the state of the world that there are people out there who will be Warriors of Light in many different ways, not just adventurers. Everyone jumped on this and thought about what combat abilities you could get from this role really seemed like they missed the point.

In short, cat girl was basically a lesson in "Disciples of the Land/Hand are Warriors of Light too" and people got too wrapped up thinking of a future combat job to understand it was completely the opposite of what they were reading in to.

[Seraphor]

I was kind of disappointed by everyone jumping on the "Apothecary is a future job!" bandwagon from 5.3, particularly because it was addressing a story beat from 5.2 and people's reactions were the opposite of what was intended. Recall that 5.2 ended with everyone having a sudden drive to go out into The First and become "Warriors of Light" like Ardbert and his friends (this was later revealed to fuel Elidibus plan) and there was a fear that with everyone rushing out to play hero adventurer, there would be nobody around to actually make The First livable again. The First needed carpenters, doctors, merchants, guards, craftsmen, farmers, etc. much more than it needed "Warriors of Light" as we knew them. This was also the crux of 5.1 story in Eulmore, about how to get the Talos industry up and running again to help mend fences between settlements and literally mend places now the threat of certain extinction was over. 5.2 ends with a sort of bittersweet moment of our character wishing well a Hyur/Hume and Roegadyn/Galdjent on their path to becoming Warriors of Light but with the absence of two competent members of the Crystarium Guard being a concern.

Come 5.3, before Elidbus' final plot kicks off, we have a nice little arc with a Miqo'te/Mystel girl who wants to be a Warrior of Light but unlike the others we've seen, she doesn't want to run around as a fighting adventurer but as a traveling apothecary to treat the sick and tend the wounded. It was a relief for the scions and those worried about fixing the state of the world that there are people out there who will be Warriors of Light in many different ways, not just adventurers. Everyone jumped on this and thought about what combat abilities you could get from this role really seemed like they missed the point.

In short, cat girl was basically a lesson in "Disciples of the Land/Hand are Warriors of Light too" and people got too wrapped up thinking of a future combat job to understand it was completely the opposite of what they were reading in to.

Thing is, they outright told us there was a hint at one of the next jobs in patch 5.3.

In hindsight, is there anything in there that hints at Sage?

If not... could we in fact be getting Mystic Knight or Rune Knight, using SoS as the 'hint'?
(I'm still writing off anything portrayed in Heroes Gauntlet.)

The end boss of e12 was Artemisia/Ultimecia just not in a form we were expecting. Eden's Promise is based on a statue of Artemis and Oracle of Darkness uses many abilities that originated in FFVIII's final boss battle with Ultimecia.

The model is also based around the 'skeleton' of Ultimecia's final form, and uses many of the same animations.

Chemist was for the most part the result of a red herring that concealed that the actual job hint in 5.3 was in the G-Warrior fight.

I never considered G-Warrior as a hint for Sage... and I still think it's a pretty tenuous link tbf, Sage isn't a magitek job, it uses magic and aether, the Nouliths aren't actual guns.

[Hank_Hotspur]

I never considered G-Warrior as a hint for Sage... and I still think it's a pretty tenuous link tbf, Sage isn't a magitek job, it uses magic and aether, the Nouliths aren't actual guns.

It's not "magitek" as we've come to expect from Garlemald or the Ironworks, but its still crystalline technology that uses aether and the "hint" doesn't need to be as overt as a character going "I'm THIS job now!". G-Warrior was as close you could get to a Gundam pastiche without actually causing a lawsuit (they even had the Newtype Flash) and the reveal of the Sage with "Nouliths" were even joked about during the reveal that they are a "wholly original idea and in no way similar to Gundam funnels".

So people latched on to the idea of job "hint" that was in fact the opposite of that and could never work and now in hindsight we have a pretty 1-to-1 of what was in 5.3 and the revealed job and you still refuse to see it as the actual hint.